It was really close...

"gatt" wrote in message ...

Peter, there's a war going on.

Despite the 2nd Amendment, we don't let people carry guns and grenades on
airplanes either.

-c



No grenades (I think) but guns are OK....

As for the 'war' going on, 'fraid not....

Blueskies wrote:

Actually, it is pretty amazing how little coverage this has had here in Michigan. You have to really dig to find
anything about it...

It may be just me, but I think that's encouraging.

George Patterson
"Naked" means you ain't got no clothes on; "nekkid" means you ain't got
no clothes on - and are up to somethin'.

Jose wrote:

OTOH DC has -not- restricted traffic flow in a thirty mile ring around
the Capitol the way it has restricted flight.

Mileage is not as important as time. You can't drive a truck from the edge of
the ADIZ to the Capitol in a few minutes.

George Patterson
"Naked" means you ain't got no clothes on; "nekkid" means you ain't got
no clothes on - and are up to somethin'.

gatt wrote:

I've been researching and writing the civil war for something like ten years
now. Can't find the part of the Constitution where it says that secession
is legal.

If it doesn't say it's illegal, it's legal. Something about all rights not
specifically reserved to the Federal government are reserved to the people and
States.

After the war, the issue was raised to the chief justice of the Supreme Court --
they were preparing to try Jefferson Davis for treason. The justice opined that,
if they actually brought the case to trial, the court would find him not guilty,
since all the "treasons" occurred when he was president of a foreign country.

They turned him loose. With nightmares about the city of Charleston suing for
the cost of the shot and powder used to subdue Fort Sumpter, no doubt.

George Patterson
"Naked" means you ain't got no clothes on; "nekkid" means you ain't got
no clothes on - and are up to somethin'.

Gatt,
I would highly advise you to do another 10 years of research. Remember all
the northern states that mentioned that term , and the Congressmen who spoke
of it often as a Constitutional right. I believe Webster sumed it up best
(paraphrasing) a union that can be enteres can be left. I do not remember
the exact quote off hand, but that was the heartbeat of it. Be happy to look
it up for you off the group if you care to learn. My library on the subject
can rival most public libraries. Would love to hear where your kin served!

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech
"gatt" wrote in message
...

"W P Dixon" wrote in message news:hV6he.42

Actually you are not being fair, states had secceded, which at that time
was
Constitutional. What Lincoln did was make a war with a new soveriegn
nation.
You can't really call it a rebellion if it is one country against
another.
Well, you can if you went to public schools!

LOL. "Seceded." *ahem*

I've been researching and writing the civil war for something like ten
years
now. Can't find the part of the Constitution where it says that secession
is legal. Article I, Section 9, of the U.S. Constitution, however,
states
"The privilege of the Writ of Habeus Corpus shall not be suspended, unless
when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it."

Personally, let's just say my ancestors came from Mississippi and
Louisiana
and served on the side that declared it their legal right to secede. But
if
Lincoln determined the impending outbreak of civil war to be a case of
rebellion or invasion, he may have suspended it in the interest of public
safety.

-c

I think we are doing pretty well! In this day and age I find it
refreshing that some people actually know these things, and even more
impressed when I find someone willing to learn ! HAHA I could not believe
it, but someone had done a poll and over 50% of Americans did not know
George Washington was the Commanding General of the Continental Army. Can
you believe it? And if I understtod it correctly this wasn't just school age
children but just a poll of everyday Americans.

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech



"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
m...

Did we all pass teach?

"Jay Masino" wrote in message
...

Why wouldn't they just drive up to their target? They'd attract a lot
less attention.

I don't know of too many cars or trucks that can drive up to the front door
of the White House. If you haven't noticed, the security is pretty tight
around that building. Remember, media sensationalism is just as much part of
the way they operate as the actual destruction. A Cessna's tail sticking out
of a White House window will get as much media attention as a truck blowing
up a block down the road (which is about how close it will ever get).


Tell you what? How about the government locking all of us in our houses,
and not letting us out. That would solve the security problem. If they
see anyone outside their house, they can just shoot them immediately. I
realize that's an absurd example, but it makes the point.

Absurd examples don't make any points other than make it seem like you have
no perspective.



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George Patterson wrote:


Mileage is not as important as time. You can't drive a truck from the edge
of the ADIZ to the Capitol in a few minutes.

Nor would one need to given the complete lack of scrutiny given to these
potential attack vehicles.

- Andrew

"gatt" wrote in message
...
Peter, there's a war going on.

Sort of.

Despite the 2nd Amendment, we don't let people carry guns and grenades on
airplanes either.

What's that got to do with Americans' right to freely move about the
country?

While it is common for security measures to be implemented without regard to
whether they will actually accomplish anything, that doesn't make it right.

the airspace is closed, [...] As it should be. There's no particular
reason at this point to let pilots run amok over Washington DC.
Why is this as it should be?
There's a war going on. Precisely why there's no particular reason to let
illegal immigrants run amok into America.

I didn't realize that "pilots" was synonymous with "illegal immigrant".
I guess I'll have to get a new dictionary.

Single engine pilots are not the enemy. Religious zealots are the enemy.

Jose
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