Riding vs Flying -- How many here ride?

Morgans wrote:

"Newps" wrote


I'm well aware of that and make those decisions daily, like any parent.
But these are absolutes.


One day, they will be out from under your control.

These are not lifelong rules, just rules while they live here.




That is what I did, regarding the bike issue.

A teenager has zero business riding a motorcycle in traffic.

"Bob Noel" wrote

otoh - he isn't disregarding a rule because he thinks he is more important
than me. His stated reason is that he believes he is safer. Let's not
lose sight of the fact that four wheel drivers are a major risk for
motorcycle riders.

That is nothing but a bunch of bull. He does it because he can get away
with it. The other (because it is safer) is just an attempt at
justification.

It won't be safer when someone pulls a gun on him, or opens a door right as
he is coming. Both are real possibilities. Who do you think would pay for
the damage to the door, when the ticket is written? Not the person in the
car, no doubt.

When riding in a pack of cars, there is very little danger. The highest
danger (anytime) is from someone coming at you turning left into your path,
or pulling onto the road into your path. If you are following relatively
close to the car in front of you, you are shielded from that. The next most
common danger is from someone changing lanes into you. If you speed up or
slow down slightly so you are not directly beside the other car beside you,
that danger is not an issue, and you are still shielded from the left
turning driver.

By speeding ahead of the pack, a rider has exposed himself to the danger of
someone turning left into your path. The car driver will likely be looking
at the pack of cars coming, and want to be in a hurry to turn before they
get there, and look right past you and turn right into you.

Sorry, but the argument for white liners does not hold water. They are on
the same level as straight pipes, or people who park in handicap spaces when
they have no need for it. They are abusing other people, for their own self
serving principles.
--
Jim in NC

"Newps" wrote

A teenager has zero business riding a motorcycle in traffic.

Why? What difference is the danger to a teenager, or a 22 year old?
--
Jim in NC

In article ,
Morgans wrote:

FlipSide wrote

But isn't the reason those drivers get upset is because they are
impatient, in a hurry and jealous that the motorcyclist is now ahead
of them?

It is all about playing by the rules, and the ones who think that they are
better than everyone else, and cutting to the front.

The rules depend on the location. In CA, lane splitting is legal,
so the motorcyclist who passes cars at a light is following the
rules. Even the motorcycle cops in CA lane split.

The only ones who **** me off are the ones that lane split at 70mph+
when traffic is rolling at ~40mph during rush hour. I just hope
they've signed their organ donor cards.

John
--
John Clear - http://www.clear-prop.org/

in article , Jose at
wrote on 7/2/06 5:10 PM:

Absolutely, 100% agree. Motorcyclists with straight pipes are no
better than truckers who use their "jake brakes" around town -- they're
inconsiderate morons.

Personally, I would support the death penalty for both offenses -- but
I seem to be in the minority.

This complaint sounds vaguely familiar.

Jose

If you're referring to noise complaints about aircraft, there's really no
comparison. It's not like I chose to live next to a motocross track or
something.

"John Clear" wrote

The rules depend on the location. In CA, lane splitting is legal,
so the motorcyclist who passes cars at a light is following the
rules. Even the motorcycle cops in CA lane split.

Cal is strange. (there's a news flash ! g) It is illegal to buy acetone,
but you can zoom between cars on a bike.

The only ones who **** me off are the ones that lane split at 70mph+
when traffic is rolling at ~40mph during rush hour. I just hope
they've signed their organ donor cards.

Also, the ones that see a closed land causing traffic to back up, but go
clear to the front, and cut in at the last moment, causing people to slam on
their brakes, and cause traffic to back up, even more.

If everyone would slow down 10 MPH (if it is backing up) and decrease the
following distance, and not slam on their brakes, everyone would move right
on through with minimal delay.

I'll be the one out beside the others, forming the rolling roadblock, to
keep ALL of the traffic moving at a good speed.

I have seen people getting pulled for running up and cutting in, BTW, so
don't anyone say it is legal. I laughed my A^S off, BTW!

Man, I have to get my blood pressure down, and get off my soapbox, today.
I'll try to shut up, now. g
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in :


"Skywise" wrote

Another favorite tactic is white lining. In a perfect
scenario I white line to the front while everyone is stopped
at a red light.

Here in NC, your are liable to get a bullet in your ass, or run off the
road, doing that crap. I might be one of the ones to run you off, as you
are pulling forward.

Don't do that crap. Be a little more patient.

And it's ass holes on the road like you who have forced me
to take the measures I do. You are a perfect example of
"The Problem".

Brian
--
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Morgans wrote:

"Newps" wrote


Nope. In this house the boys have known since day one that any road
vehicle they are interested has a four wheel minimum. Motorcycle? Don't
even ask. Same goes for tattoos and earrings.


You may someday learn that parenting sometimes has to pick and choose which
battles to fight. One of those may not be worth fighting, someday.

Very true. I agree though with the tattoos and ear rings, but banning
motorcycles is simply crossing the line. :-)


Matt

Matt Whiting wrote in news:%EPpg.131$Pa.18143
@news1.epix.net:

Skywise wrote:
Snipola

Yes, and although one could write them all down for others
to memorize, experience is the best teacher.

I agree, but I also accept that there are some situations that you just
can't anticipate and avoid. That is just something that we who ride and
fly have to accept.

I'm reminded of somethign Donald Rumsfled said about intelligence.
He said there's three kind's of intelligence (information). There's
what you know you know, what you know you don't know, and what you
don't know that you don't know. It's the third one that causes the
problems.

I've also heard it said many times by my father who was a truck
driver and DOT certified safety officer for his company, "Always
prepare for the unexpected."

Brian
--
http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism
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Newps wrote:



Morgans wrote:

"Newps" wrote


Nope. In this house the boys have known since day one that any road
vehicle they are interested has a four wheel minimum. Motorcycle?
Don't even ask. Same goes for tattoos and earrings.



You may someday learn that parenting sometimes has to pick and choose
which battles to fight. One of those may not be worth fighting, someday.


I'm well aware of that and make those decisions daily, like any parent.
But these are absolutes.

And absolutes only make teens try absolutely as hard as possible to get
around them. Your kids will make sure now to get some motorcycle time
with friends or friends of friends. I'm going to make sure my son
learns to ride from me in conditions I can control. I've seen the
result of kids learning from other kids. It isn't pretty.


Matt