East River turning radius

NYC's East River is about 2000' wide. So when you approach the north
endpoint of the VFR corridor there, you need to make a U turn with a 1000'
radius (or less if you're not right next to the eastern shore when you start
the turn).

Suppose you're afraid to fly too slowly because you don't want to stall
during the turn, so you cruise up the river at 90 knots. Suppose you're
afraid to bank too steeply because you don't want to stall during the turn,
so you use just a 30-degree bank.

Oops: your turning radius is about 1200'.

Using the East River VFR corridor requires planning the turn
carefully--especially since you need to leave an extra margin in case you
have to dodge high-density traffic there.

--Gary

Gary Drescher wrote:

NYC's East River is about 2000' wide. So when you approach the north
endpoint of the VFR corridor there, you need to make a U turn with a 1000'
radius (or less if you're not right next to the eastern shore when you start
the turn).

I have flown the Hudson River VFR corridor several times, but only flew the
East River corridor once.

My impression at the time was that a very tight turn is required to go back
south to exit this corridor.

--
Peter

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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NYC's East River is about 2000' wide. So when you approach the north
endpoint of the VFR corridor there, you need to make a U turn with a 1000'
radius (or less if you're not right next to the eastern shore when you
start
the turn).

Suppose you're afraid to fly too slowly because you don't want to stall
during the turn, so you cruise up the river at 90 knots. Suppose you're
afraid to bank too steeply because you don't want to stall during the
turn,
so you use just a 30-degree bank.

Oops: your turning radius is about 1200'.

Using the East River VFR corridor requires planning the turn
carefully--especially since you need to leave an extra margin in case you
have to dodge high-density traffic there.

only have to increase bank to 36 degrees to get under 1000' radius ( or
slow to 81 kts) or go half way and 33 degrees bank and 85 kts. shouldnt be
a problem in a 172 ( isnt that what you fly?) stall speed would still only
be 55 kts. ( assuming 50 kts strait and level from memory)
terry

--Gary

"d&tm" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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NYC's East River is about 2000' wide. So when you approach the north
endpoint of the VFR corridor there, you need to make a U turn with a
1000'
radius (or less if you're not right next to the eastern shore when you
start
the turn).

Suppose you're afraid to fly too slowly because you don't want to stall
during the turn, so you cruise up the river at 90 knots. Suppose you're
afraid to bank too steeply because you don't want to stall during the
turn,
so you use just a 30-degree bank.

Oops: your turning radius is about 1200'.

Using the East River VFR corridor requires planning the turn
carefully--especially since you need to leave an extra margin in case you
have to dodge high-density traffic there.

only have to increase bank to 36 degrees to get under 1000' radius ( or
slow to 81 kts) or go half way and 33 degrees bank and 85 kts. shouldnt
be
a problem in a 172 ( isnt that what you fly?) stall speed would still
only
be 55 kts. ( assuming 50 kts strait and level from memory)
terry

Yup, I fly 172s and Arrows. But the folks in the news were in a Cirrus. In
any case, the turn can certainly be executed--my point is just that the
situation is unusual (outside of mountain flying) for the degree of planning
that's required in order to make the turn safely.

--Gary

I think that any pilot with the fears that you describe should go up with an
instructor and explore the low-speed end of the operating envelope until he
or she is comfortable. "Fear" of stalling is based on lack of knowledge or
experience, and I know from reading your posts that you do not fit into
either category.

Bob Gardner

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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NYC's East River is about 2000' wide. So when you approach the north
endpoint of the VFR corridor there, you need to make a U turn with a 1000'
radius (or less if you're not right next to the eastern shore when you
start the turn).

Suppose you're afraid to fly too slowly because you don't want to stall
during the turn, so you cruise up the river at 90 knots. Suppose you're
afraid to bank too steeply because you don't want to stall during the
turn, so you use just a 30-degree bank.

Oops: your turning radius is about 1200'.

Using the East River VFR corridor requires planning the turn
carefully--especially since you need to leave an extra margin in case you
have to dodge high-density traffic there.

--Gary

Gary Drescher wrote:

NYC's East River is about 2000' wide. So when you approach the north
endpoint of the VFR corridor there, you need to make a U turn with a 1000'
radius (or less if you're not right next to the eastern shore when you
start the turn).

Suppose you're afraid to fly too slowly because you don't want to stall
during the turn, so you cruise up the river at 90 knots. Suppose you're
afraid to bank too steeply because you don't want to stall during the
turn, so you use just a 30-degree bank.

Oops: your turning radius is about 1200'.

Using the East River VFR corridor requires planning the turn
carefully--especially since you need to leave an extra margin in case you
have to dodge high-density traffic there.

--Gary
In occasions like these I was trained to do a chandelle.
Immelman turn will also do ;-)

"Stefano" wrote in message
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In occasions like these I was trained to do a chandelle.
Immelman turn will also do ;-)

Except that you're probably already close to the 1100' ceiling in this case.


--Gary

Recently, Stefano posted:

Gary Drescher wrote:

Oops: your turning radius is about 1200'.


In occasions like these I was trained to do a chandelle.
Immelman turn will also do ;-)

Wow. You can do an Immelman in under 500'? Impressive!

Neil

"Neil Gould" wrote

Wow. You can do an Immelman in under 500'? Impressive!

How about a baby hammerhead turn, with a half roll coming out of it? g
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Neil Gould" wrote

Wow. You can do an Immelman in under 500'? Impressive!

How about a baby hammerhead turn, with a half roll coming out of it? g
--
Jim in NC

Presuming that no one is immediately on top of you, somethng akin to a
duster turn works quite well and only uses about 50 feet to make a really
dramatic difference in the turn radius. I used to do that to turn around a
Tomohawk (PA-38) in a small radius.

Peter