"Why was a plane able to fly over New York?"

Orval Fairbairn wrote:
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Thomas Borchert wrote:

Roger,

we still live in the greatest country with the most
individual freedoms on the globe.

The guys in Gitmo probably have a different view.

That's their problem! If they hadn't illegally raised arms against us.
they wouldn't be there!

What's wrong with raising arms against the United States in some country
besides the United States?

I might add that there are US citizens being held without trial, and if
that doesn't scare you, you need to think twice.

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
Roger,

we still live in the greatest country with the most
individual freedoms on the globe.


The guys in Gitmo probably have a different view.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)


Thank God Gitmo is in Cuba.

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
Roger,

we still live in the greatest country with the most
individual freedoms on the globe.

The guys in Gitmo probably have a different view.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)


Thank God Gitmo is in Cuba.


Gitmo is a US military facility.

Gig,

Thank God Gitmo is in Cuba.


Yes, ain't that a nice little loophole the, uhm, "people" in Washington
use to pervert what used to be great American ideals?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
Gig,

Thank God Gitmo is in Cuba.


Yes, ain't that a nice little loophole the, uhm, "people" in Washington
use to pervert what used to be great American ideals?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Ya know what, people in Germany really shouldn't throw stones when it comes
to the subject of another country's "moral compass."

Why don't you worry about your own problems and we'll worry about ours, ok?

**** It: screw being "PC":

Thomas, IMO, you're easily the most sanctimonious asshole on this entire
board.

It's really easy to sit in Hamburg and spout your little pithy comments
about how horrible we are and how we're destroying the world, etc. (Sort of
a "Been There, Done That, Got Das T-Shirt?)

I, for one, am tired of reading your **** (which, by the way, sounds like
nothing more than geopolitical "Penis Envy...")

"PLONK"

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ USA (--- And Proud Of It !!!)

I hear the latest "torture" at Gitmo is too much good food
cooked just the way the prisoners like it. They're getting
fat. Sort of the opposite of a WWII Germany or Japanese
camp.



"Jay Beckman" wrote in message
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| "Thomas Borchert" wrote in
message
| ...
| Gig,
|
| Thank God Gitmo is in Cuba.
|
|
| Yes, ain't that a nice little loophole the, uhm,
"people" in Washington
| use to pervert what used to be great American ideals?
|
| --
| Thomas Borchert (EDDH)
|
| Ya know what, people in Germany really shouldn't throw
stones when it comes
| to the subject of another country's "moral compass."
|
| Why don't you worry about your own problems and we'll
worry about ours, ok?
|
| **** It: screw being "PC":
|
| Thomas, IMO, you're easily the most sanctimonious asshole
on this entire
| board.
|
| It's really easy to sit in Hamburg and spout your little
pithy comments
| about how horrible we are and how we're destroying the
world, etc. (Sort of
| a "Been There, Done That, Got Das T-Shirt?)
|
| I, for one, am tired of reading your **** (which, by the
way, sounds like
| nothing more than geopolitical "Penis Envy...")
|
| "PLONK"
|
| Jay Beckman
| PP-ASEL
| Chandler, AZ USA (--- And Proud Of It !!!)
|
|

Jay Beckman wrote:
"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
Gig,

Thank God Gitmo is in Cuba.

Yes, ain't that a nice little loophole the, uhm, "people" in Washington
use to pervert what used to be great American ideals?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Ya know what, people in Germany really shouldn't throw stones when it comes
to the subject of another country's "moral compass."

Hmmm....does that count?

"Jim Macklin" wrote:
I hear the latest "torture" at Gitmo is too much good food
cooked just the way the prisoners like it. They're getting
fat. Sort of the opposite of a WWII Germany or Japanese
camp.

According to an article in the Christian Science Monitor:

"Defense lawyers say that unlike previous wars, most of the US detainees
at Guantánamo Bay weren't captured by US soldiers on a battlefield. Many
were "sold" to the Americans by Pakistanis and Afghans seeking payment
of US bounties for Al Qaeda members even when their Al Qaeda involvement
was less than clear. Defense lawyers say this is why there may be a
significant number of innocent detainees among those being held at
Guantánamo."

If true, that would certainly explain the reason the government would
rather deny the prisoner's their day in court. The CSM article also had
this:

"Lawyers for Guantánamo detainees say that Combat Status Review
Tribunals (CSRT) fall far short of the fair procedures required in the
Hamdi case. "They are a sham," says Thomas Wilner, one of the lead
Guantánamo defense lawyers who won the Rasul case and is continuing to
litigate related issues at the federal appeals court in Washington.
"They did not give what Hamdi said you have to give - the minimal basic
due process requirement."

The requirement includes that a detainee receive prior notice of all
accusations being made against him and a fair opportunity to confront
those charges before a neutral decisionmaker.

When the evidence is classified, a declassified summary doesn't always
provide enough information to enable a detainee to defend himself,
defense lawyers say.

In one CSRT hearing, the detainee was accused of associating with a
known Al Qaeda operative in Bosnia.

"Give me his name," the detainee said.

The tribunal president said he didn't know the name.

"How can I respond to this?" the detainee asked.

"Did you know of anybody who was a member of Al Qaeda?" the tribunal
president asked.

"No, no."

The detainee added, "This is something the interrogators told me a long
while ago. I asked the interrogators to tell me who this person was....
If you tell me the name, then I can respond and defend myself against
this accusation.""

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/agitmo;_...NlYwNtcm5ld3M-

"Dylan Smith" wrote in message
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You also have to remember, certainly in the US - many pilots simply
illegally fly over the cities (not being able to even remotely meet
14 CFR 91.119 (a)). It went on all the time in Houston. It's almost
impossible to use the I-10 corridor legally in any fixed wing plane much
bigger than a Cessna 150, and even then there were virtually no places
you could make a forced landing without causing undue hazard to people
or property on the ground.

And surprisingly, you don't hear of any planes landing anywhere along I-10
in Houston... Perhaps maybe the system is working acceptably and we don't
need new restrictions? Assuming that you're cruising through there at 1000
ft, you've probably got about a 1-1.5 nm to play with with regards to
finding someplace to land... Not a lot of room to play with, but it you hug
the bottom of the Class-B at a bit under 2000 ft, you've now got 2-3 nm to
play with... If it's not rush hour, you should be able to set it down on the
freeway, at worse between some cars... Hell, with the eternal road
construction in Houston, there's probably a piece of empty concrete
somewhere you can put it down on... Actually, the only case of an
off-airport landing in the Houston area that I remember was from an aircraft
(a Pitts, I believe) that had to land in the Astrodome parking lot quite a
few years ago... Best I remember, he fixed the problem (i.e. probably
refueled) and took off from the parking lot later...

During New Years Eve 2000, there were tons of planes orbiting downtown...
Some for the fireworks display, some of us just to thumb our noses at the
Y2K hysteria as it related to aviation... Of course, those of us who really
wanted to thumb our noses at it, orbited downtown at both 0000Z and at 0000
local time... You weren't required to be in contact with ATC, but Hobby
appreciated it if you did contact them... Traffic notifications were
basically, "You've got traffic EVERYWHERE"...

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
The center of Berlin is a restricted area after an ultralight pilot
commited suicide with his plane on the lawn in front of what amounts to
the German version of the House of Congress. The f***ing self-centered
idiot...

So, now it's against the law to commit suicide from an aircraft on the lawn
of the German House of Congress? Hmmm... I'm not so certain that this would
stop someone who was wanting to commit suicide... BTW, what are they going
to do, shoot him down? Either way, he gets his wish, doesn't he?
sick-grin