MXSMANIC - The posts don't add up

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Neil Gould writes:

Intro flights are typically well below $100.

I've already logged nearly a hundred hours in my simulated Baron, for
far less money than that.

But you have not flown for even one minute. 30 minutes in the air is worth
hundreds of hours behind a game.

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Neil Gould writes:

Intro flights are typically well below $100.

I've already logged nearly a hundred hours in my simulated
Baron, for far less money than that.

But you have not flown for even one minute. 30 minutes in the
air is worth hundreds of hours behind a game.


Not to encourage the village idiot, but you are completely wrong.

Tell that to the military which makes extensive use of simulators. The Navy
uses MSFS to train new pilots.

"The Navy says that students who use Flight Simulator achieve "significantly
higher flight scores and fewer below-average and unsatisfactory flight
scores" than those who don't."

http://www.aopa.org/members/files/pi.../prod0006.html

"Have you heard of Herb Lacy? In 1998, the ensign and U.S. Naval Academy
graduate saw a lifelong dream fulfilled when he was accepted into Naval
flight training. But Lacy, who had never flown an airplane, found himself at
a disadvantage in the extremely competitive program?many of his classmates
had previously received flight instruction, and some were certificated
pilots.

Lacy decided to level the playing field. He bought a copy of Microsoft's
Flight Simulator 98 and used software tools to create a representation of
the Beech T34C Mentor in which he would learn to fly. Lacy even added local
landmarks near Naval Air Station Corpus Christi, Texas, to help him with
situational awareness. He spent more than 40 hours flying the customized
simulator before climbing into a Mentor cockpit.

His efforts were so successful that not only did Lacy graduate near the top
of his class, but the Navy investigated the idea of using computer gaming
software for training. An experiment showed that when pilot trainees
practiced with Flight Simulator, 54 percent more received above-average
flight scores. So the Navy decided to issue Flight Simulator 98?modified
with a software shell, much like Lacy's version to all of its flight
students."

http://www.aopa.org/pilot/features/future0004.html

Owen,

Despite what MS says, it is no problem at all to get a 100-$-intro ride
in France. Heck, if he asked nicely (yeah, right!), he'd probably get a
free ride. But that would shatter his world view now, would it?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Recently, Tom Conner posted:

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Neil Gould writes:

Intro flights are typically well below $100.

I've already logged nearly a hundred hours in my simulated
Baron, for far less money than that.

But you have not flown for even one minute. 30 minutes in the
air is worth hundreds of hours behind a game.


Not to encourage the village idiot, but you are completely wrong.

Tell that to the military which makes extensive use of simulators.
The Navy uses MSFS to train new pilots.

(rest snipped for brevity)

Sorry, but it's your usage of the example that is completely wrong. The
Navy is not using MSFS *in lieu* of flight training, the point under
discussion here. MSFS can be quite useful as an adjunct to flight
training, and none of us have disagreed with that. In such usage, you can
simply chuckle at those things that MSFS gets wrong and move on. Without
flight training, you wind up with the kinds of notions and questions that
have been posted here recently.

Neil

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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Neil Gould writes:

Intro flights are typically well below $100.

I've already logged nearly a hundred hours in my simulated
Baron, for far less money than that.

But you have not flown for even one minute. 30 minutes in the
air is worth hundreds of hours behind a game.


Not to encourage the village idiot, but you are completely wrong.

Tell that to the military which makes extensive use of simulators. The
Navy
uses MSFS to train new pilots.

"The Navy says that students who use Flight Simulator achieve
"significantly
higher flight scores and fewer below-average and unsatisfactory flight
scores" than those who don't."

http://www.aopa.org/members/files/pi.../prod0006.html

"Have you heard of Herb Lacy? In 1998, the ensign and U.S. Naval Academy
graduate saw a lifelong dream fulfilled when he was accepted into Naval
flight training. But Lacy, who had never flown an airplane, found himself
at
a disadvantage in the extremely competitive program?many of his classmates
had previously received flight instruction, and some were certificated
pilots.

Lacy decided to level the playing field. He bought a copy of Microsoft's
Flight Simulator 98 and used software tools to create a representation of
the Beech T34C Mentor in which he would learn to fly. Lacy even added
local
landmarks near Naval Air Station Corpus Christi, Texas, to help him with
situational awareness. He spent more than 40 hours flying the customized
simulator before climbing into a Mentor cockpit.

His efforts were so successful that not only did Lacy graduate near the
top
of his class, but the Navy investigated the idea of using computer gaming
software for training. An experiment showed that when pilot trainees
practiced with Flight Simulator, 54 percent more received above-average
flight scores. So the Navy decided to issue Flight Simulator 98?modified
with a software shell, much like Lacy's version to all of its flight
students."

http://www.aopa.org/pilot/features/future0004.html


Something significant went way over your head.

"Neil Gould" wrote in message
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Recently, Tom Conner posted:

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Neil Gould writes:

Intro flights are typically well below $100.

I've already logged nearly a hundred hours in my simulated
Baron, for far less money than that.

But you have not flown for even one minute. 30 minutes in the
air is worth hundreds of hours behind a game.


Not to encourage the village idiot, but you are completely wrong.

Tell that to the military which makes extensive use of simulators.
The Navy uses MSFS to train new pilots.

(rest snipped for brevity)

Sorry, but it's your usage of the example that is completely wrong. The
Navy is not using MSFS *in lieu* of flight training, the point under
discussion here.

The poor reading comprehension skills of posters on this group never ceases
to amaze me. Nobody said the Navy is using MSFS in lieu of flight training.
I was responding to the completely wrong statement that "30 minutes in the
air is worth hundreds of hours behind a game."

On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:47:41 GMT, "Tom Conner"
wrote:


"Neil Gould" wrote in message
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Recently, Tom Conner posted:

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Neil Gould writes:

Intro flights are typically well below $100.

I've already logged nearly a hundred hours in my simulated
Baron, for far less money than that.

But you have not flown for even one minute. 30 minutes in the
air is worth hundreds of hours behind a game.


Not to encourage the village idiot, but you are completely wrong.

Tell that to the military which makes extensive use of simulators.
The Navy uses MSFS to train new pilots.

(rest snipped for brevity)

Sorry, but it's your usage of the example that is completely wrong. The
Navy is not using MSFS *in lieu* of flight training, the point under
discussion here.

The poor reading comprehension skills of posters on this group never ceases
to amaze me. Nobody said the Navy is using MSFS in lieu of flight training.
I was responding to the completely wrong statement that "30 minutes in the
air is worth hundreds of hours behind a game."

Except that I don't agree that the statement is "completely wrong." I
think the ratio is off, but I agree with both points of view.
Experience in the air is very different from experience in a simulator
and simulator experience isn't directly substitutable for flight
experience. However, many organizations have been using simulators for
years to augment training and, used properly, simulators can
accelerate training in specific areas and save a lot of fuel.

Now, can't we all get along?

RK Henry

Recently, Tom Conner posted:

"Neil Gould" wrote in message
Sorry, but it's your usage of the example that is completely wrong.
The Navy is not using MSFS *in lieu* of flight training, the point
under discussion here.

The poor reading comprehension skills of posters on this group never
ceases to amaze me. Nobody said the Navy is using MSFS in lieu of
flight training. I was responding to the completely wrong statement
that "30 minutes in the air is worth hundreds of hours behind a game."

If that was the only comment you were responding to, then you should have
clipped the rest. The inclusion of other comments implies that you were
responding to *the post*, not some fragment therein, and it is quite
reasonable that a reader would assume as much. Reading comprehension is
helped by clear messages.

Neil

"Neil Gould" wrote in message
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Recently, Tom Conner posted:

"Neil Gould" wrote in message
Sorry, but it's your usage of the example that is completely
wrong. The Navy is not using MSFS *in lieu* of flight training,
the point under discussion here.

The poor reading comprehension skills of posters on this group never
ceases to amaze me. Nobody said the Navy is using MSFS in lieu of
flight training. I was responding to the completely wrong statement
that "30 minutes in the air is worth hundreds of hours behind a game."

If that was the only comment you were responding to, then you should
have clipped the rest. The inclusion of other comments implies that you
were responding to *the post*, not some fragment therein, and it is quite
reasonable that a reader would assume as much. Reading comprehension is
helped by clear messages.


Okay. This is the entire post I responded to:

"
Intro flights are typically well below $100.

I've already logged nearly a hundred hours in my simulated
Baron, for far less money than that.

But you have not flown for even one minute. 30 minutes in the
air is worth hundreds of hours behind a game.
"

Again, reading comprehension in this group is abysmal. I wonder if it
carries over to the pilot population in general?

Neil Gould writes:

And it's worth exactly nothing in terms of knowing about flying a Baron.

I disagree.

If you're lucky, you may find where the switches and buttons are; the fact
is that they aren't always in the same place just because the plane is the
same model. But, you'd most likely kill yourself before you got off the
field.

Here again, I disagree.

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