I'm not a real Pilot?

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Dudley Henriques writes:

The only limitation or limitations that I have ever seen in my 50 odd
years
in the flight instruction business that would prevent someone from
becoming
a pilot would be a medical, physical, or financial limitation concerning
the
person wishing to seek this goal.

That's an extremely broad range of possible obstacles.

I asked at the pilot shop today if it's true that getting even just a PPL
(in
France) costs around $17,000, and this was confirmed to me. With a per
capita
income of $30,100, only a handful of people in the country can ever hope
to
become pilots. Add that to the need for a medical and lots of time, and
almost nobody can reach that goal.



Man..where is my violin music, you're breaking my heart......

IF you really were an IT professional

and

IF you really were old enough to take a flying lesson

and

IF you really had the desire to actually experience aviation


You would easily find it possible to get out and get at least 2 or 3 hours
of instruction in a topic for which you seem to have and overwhelming desire
to moderate an advice column.

But be ready to change instructors after each lesson. I can assure you, no
one would have the patience to fly with you a second time, if you could
avoid alienating them before you got to the aircraft the first time.

To be successful, you will first need to solo over at
sci.psychology.psychotherapy.

You might also try checking the prices somewere that the people don't KNOW
you. With your attitude I seriously doubt you could get a PPL in the US for
as little as $17,000.

On 3/31/2007 5:04:24 AM, Mxsmanic wrote:
Dave Doe writes:

That doesn't sound too bad - consider that in that you get 50+ hours of
*real* flying.

Sorry, but flying in some junky tin can around the airfield is just not worth
$340 an hour to me.

The money could be better spent on simulation. At least then I get a lot more
bang for the buck.


Well then here... the next time you simulate flying out for a $100 hamburger,
let me set you up with a date!!!

http://www.cybernooky.com/

No matter what line of BS you lay on one of these girls, she will just smile
and believe you.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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wrxpilot writes:

I've used MSFS off and on since I was a teenager, and I used it
extensively during my instrument training. It saved me a lot of money
for learning instrument procedures, and it was a great tool. But
nothing about MSFS *makes* one a REAL pilot. I'm a newbie pilot with
a fresh commercial certificate and a still wet instrument rating. But
from the little bit of trudging around the skys I've done, there's no
way to simulate the real thing. I've "flown" level D airlines sims
before, and they don't even compare to flying around in a real C172.

Everyone knows, however, that if you haven't flown an airliner, you're not
a
real pilot. A C172 doesn't count--or does it?

The "real" qualifier is a moving target, depending on whom you're talking
to,
and who you are. I don't know that having a few hours in a C172 would
count
much among 747 pilots. Everyone wants someone else to look down upon.


No. The real qualifier is whether you are a socially challenged 12 year old,
or someone with and honest desire to learn from experienced individuals.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Aluckyguess writes:

Who cares what anyone thinks.
When I meet an ATP I usually say oh you're a real pilot and we laugh.

A better distinction would be professional vs. amateur. An amateur pilot
flies when he wants to; a professional pilot flies when he is told to.


vs. a simulator only gamer, that just thinks he is a pilot, and never flys
at all.

Whome? writes:

Well then here... the next time you simulate flying out for a $100 hamburger,
let me set you up with a date!!!

I don't simulate $100 hamburgers or dates. In a simulator, you don't need an
excuse to fly, since there is no overhead or expense to flying.

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Maxwell writes:

vs. a simulator only gamer, that just thinks he is a pilot, and never flys
at all.

Not really any different. As I've said, people always look for something that
distinguishes themselves from others, and then set it as a threshold for some
level of competence to which they wish to lay claim and from which they wish
to exclude others. The actual distinguishing feature shifts constantly so
that it always falls in just the right place, and in most cases it is very
trivial indeed from an objective standpoint.

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Mxsmanic wrote in
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The high salaries of some airline pilots are mostly high for historical
reasons. It's best not to look too closely at how much they are
actually worth.

Salaries in general have very little to do with how much the person earning
the salary is worth.

How much is a child's education worth?

What about protection from criminals? Or from fire?

How about emergency medical service to assist you with a medical emergency in
your own home and then transport you quickly to the nearest medical facility?

And yet Schoolteachers, Police, Firefighters, and Emergency Medical
Technicians are typically not high-paid service providers. Sometimes services
such as these are provided by volunteers who are not paid at all.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Walt writes:

Dudley was being pretty darn nice to you, my friend. But that's a
pretty snarky remark.

Not for someone who is permanently scratched off the list after failing
a medical. I should think that people who are very much into flying, of
all people, would understand that.

Actually, there are avenues available that allow even people who have failed
a medical to pilot an aircraft. Ultralights, for example.

This is not a social club.

No, it's a forum of individuals, most with similar interests, and many of
whom visit on a regular basis. In some cases, members know each other outside
the forum and even meet up at events.

To deny the social aspect of this forum is quite naive.

I've seen mostly abuse on this list.

Certainly some of the abuse that you have observed is engendered by your
conitnued stabs at the pride pilots take in our unique achievement -
demonstrating the knowledge and ability required to pilot an aircraft safely
enough to receive certification from a government authority.

You demonstrate significant pride in your achievement of learning to pilot a
simulated aircraft, and of your knowledge about aviation. Do you expect
others on the forum to respect your pride when you minimize ours?

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Dudley Henriques writes:

The only limitation or limitations that I have ever seen in my 50 odd
years in the flight instruction business that would prevent someone
from becoming a pilot would be a medical, physical, or financial
limitation concerning the person wishing to seek this goal.

That's an extremely broad range of possible obstacles.

I asked at the pilot shop today if it's true that getting even just a
PPL (in France) costs around $17,000, and this was confirmed to me.
With a per capita income of $30,100, only a handful of people in the
country can ever hope to become pilots. Add that to the need for a
medical and lots of time, and almost nobody can reach that goal.

With a per-capita income of $30,100 it's a surprise that anyone can afford
a car, a house, or a vacation! Does France have a socialized health care
system? Because I can't imagine that they can afford private health
insurance at that income either.

The reality is that there are many things in the world that have the same
or similar obstacles to piloting.

I don't understand why you come to a pilots forum to try to announce your
judgement upon us. Do you think we should stop doing what we are doing
because some people cannot participate in our hobby.

Boating, Auto Racing, and numerous other hobbies have the same or similar
obstacles. Do you go to their forums to announce your judgements on them as
well?

Certain professions have obstacles as well. Do you go to the Legal and
Medical forums to complain because you don't have the resources necessary
to achieve those professions either?

Judah writes:

With a per-capita income of $30,100 it's a surprise that anyone can afford
a car, a house, or a vacation!

The standard of living is significantly lower in France than in the United
States. But that is generally true of most of Europe.

Does France have a socialized health care system?

Yes, one of the best, all things considered. Of course, those with lots of
money can still get better health care than the average person, but
essentially everyone can get decent health care.

Because I can't imagine that they can afford private health insurance
at that income either.

There's a system of private insurance that covers anything that national
health care does not. However, since national health care covers quite a bit,
the cost of the additional insurance is very low, and many people simply do
without because the uncovered costs are usually modest. But here again, the
more money you have, the better the care you can receive.

The reality is that there are many things in the world that have the same
or similar obstacles to piloting.

Yes.

I don't understand why you come to a pilots forum to try to announce your
judgement upon us.

I don't. I come to discuss aviation.

Do you think we should stop doing what we are doing because some people
cannot participate in our hobby.

No, but you should stop pretending that it's an accessible hobby. It's a rich
man's hobby. That's one reason why the average age of private pilots is
around 47--it takes them most of their lives to save up the time and money to
get a license, unless they are very rich to begin with.

Boating, Auto Racing, and numerous other hobbies have the same or similar
obstacles.

Yes, they do. That's why most people don't have boats or racing cars.
They're lucky if they can afford to go to the movies or to Disneyland once in
a while.

Do you go to their forums to announce your judgements on them as well?

I don't go to their newsgroups at all. I'm not interested in boats or cars.

Certain professions have obstacles as well. Do you go to the Legal and
Medical forums to complain because you don't have the resources necessary
to achieve those professions either?

No. But I don't hear anyone saying that it's easy and cheap to become a
lawyer or doctor.

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