Flight Lessons

"Joey Bishop" wrote:

Eddie Rickenbacker on navigation:

http://www.richthofen.com/rickenbacker/rick29.htm

I leaned over and shook the compass. It whirled a few times,
then settled itself in exactly the opposite direction! Again I shook
it and again it pointed to a new direction. Never have I seen a
compass - except those captured from Boche machines - that
even pretended to disclose the direction of north!

Three-quarters of an hour of gasoline remained to me. And a much
over-rated sense of direction - and no compass. Then I thought of the
north star! Glory be! There she shines! I had been going west instead
of south and would have had two hundred miles or so of fast flying
before striking the British lines near Ypres on my present course.

Keeping the star behind my rudder I flew south for fifteen minutes,
then dropping down, almost immediately found myself above a bend
in a stream of water that resembled a familiar spot in the River Mouse.

Rickenbacker's SPAD:

Top Speed: 130 mph.
Range: 2.5 hrs.
Ceiling FL 180 (tops!)

Imagine what a marine compass from any boat shop would
do for him, much less GPS...

-Mike Marron

"ArtKramr" wrote in message

In WW II almost no one had a college education.

Which is probably why we had the war in the first place :-)

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And this would be a better NG if people like you learned how to
properly format their posts and responded to the subject at hand
rather than going off on irrelevant tangents like you, Tarver, et. al.
have done in this and countless other threads.

So basicly, Mike Marron is looking for a flame war. Art should be able to
help you out on that, loser.

John P. Tarver, MS/PE

Subject: Flight Lessons
From: "Tarver Engineering"
Date: 8/9/03 7:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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wrote in message
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And this would be a better NG if people like you learned how to
properly format their posts and responded to the subject at hand
rather than going off on irrelevant tangents like you, Tarver, et. al.
have done in this and countless other threads.

So basicly, Mike Marron is looking for a flame war. Art should be able to
help you out on that, loser.

John P. Tarver, MS/PE




Mike Marrron???? Sorry the name doesn't ring a bell.


Arthur Kramer
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Flight Lessons
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Date: 8/5/03 9:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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Careful now Art, you're about to spew...

-Mike Marron

No spewing. :Le's review the bidding. You insulted navigitors and
bombardiers
by reffering to them as "just" navigators and bombardiers, Then you
insulted me
for only talking about those things in which I had experience. When I
objected
your answer was to attack my formating skills. .And it isn't my fault that
you
have no combat experience. That is your prooblem not mine. Now who is the
problem? Now let's agree to have nothing to do with one another from here
on.
OK?

Lookie here, the Mike Marron dip**** found his flame war.

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Mary Shafer wrote:
wrote:

Those who say that GPS is "best thing since sliced bread" and
don't realize that there are significant downsides give me the
impression that they're either newbies, or they don't understand
the problem.

Who needs GPS when you have a star tracker and a current star map? It
worked for us with the SR-71.

Cool. We're having a little fly-in this weekend so you can bring your
SR-71 w/startracker and I'll bring my ultralight trike w/GPS...

Well no Mike, Mary's SR-71 affiliation is a fraud. There is however good
news for Dryden, 'cause now that the Iliffs are gone, the USAF may forgive
them for defrauding the Air Force on the X-29. There we were, Dryden just a
facility and the Challenger blown up and then USAF discovers they have been
robbed on their joint R&D with Dryden. Things looked mighty grim and the
facility might have had to close. If it hadn't been for simulation the
facility would probably have closed, but we lucked out and made something
the Navy couldn't ...

But those are the kinds of things that happen when you shaft your
bennefactors.

John P. Tarver, MS/PE

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Flight Lessons
From: "Tarver Engineering"
Date: 8/9/03 7:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:


wrote in message
.. .

And this would be a better NG if people like you learned how to
properly format their posts and responded to the subject at hand
rather than going off on irrelevant tangents like you, Tarver, et. al.
have done in this and countless other threads.

So basicly, Mike Marron is looking for a flame war. Art should be able
to
help you out on that, loser.

John P. Tarver, MS/PE




Mike Marrron???? Sorry the name doesn't ring a bell.

I still love your stories Art. It is only a matter of time until we see
some of these mil GPS chasers follow the needles right into a wall.

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ArtKramr wrote:
Cub Driver wrote:

Thanks for brightening my morning.

My pleasure. (grin)

What's this, a drive-by shooting after I tore your argument apart
limb by limb? (grin)

What a dip**** you are, Mike Marron.

"Les Matheson" wrote in message
news:PMFYa.9988$ug.1099@lakeread01...
Same concept kill drift, compute crosswind, time, distance, heading for a
DR
plot.

Then lock up the AP to TRK.



Les

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Flight Lessons
From: "Les Matheson"
Date: 8/7/03 3:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Hey Art, did you guys have a drift meter? Curious.

Les

No, but we had better. The Norden bombsight was the world's best
driftmeter. If
you cranked out the drift by stopping the vertical hair, it would give
you
the
angle needed to correct the drift and track driift free. We call it a
bomb
run. (grin). Can't beat that.

Arthur Kramer
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message
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In message , ArtKramr
writes
Subject: Flight Lessons
From: "Paul J. Adam"
The problem with GPS is that it works too well while it works. Because
it's quick and easy to program and follow, less care often goes into
checking and planning the route, and often less care gets taken in
double-checking that the real world conforms to what the GPS says.

That is not he fault of the GPS.

No, but it's a human mistake. It's a training issue to make sure that
when the GPS bings off a waypoint, you check a few landmarks to make
sure you're where the gadget says you should be. Currently, that doesn't
reliably happen because people have too much faith in the GPS.

Jesus, you think they can see the ground?