Myth: 1 G barrel rolls are impossible.

On 2007-06-12 16:39:31 -0400, Bob Moore said:

Dudley Henriques wrote
Do you remember Bill Whitsell from over at Flying W

Yes...Bill wanted to buy his son an airplane and asked me to
demonstrate the Yankee to him. Unfortunately, it was fully
fueled. The stall warning started at liftoff and continued
until the wheels were back on the ground 5-10 min. later. To
say that Bill was somewhat large is a gross understatement.
He immediately decided not to buy a Yankee.

Bob Moore

Yup. That sounds like Bill...flowing white mane and all. He was quite a
salesman too. I remember one day I had a P51 over at Flying W sitting
around next to the pool shooting the bull with Milo Ticheck (one of
Bill's instructors at the time) when in flew Bob Cummings (the actor)
in a beautiful D18 Beech. Before dinner was over, Bill had bought the
D18, sold Cummings an Aztec and if I remember right, an interest in the
airport as well.
You just HAVE to admire that caliber of talent :-)
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote in
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On 2007-06-12 15:35:34 -0400, Bertie the Bunyip
said:


Oh yeah. The FAA guy was a poacher turned gamekeeper and knew what he
was talking about.

I see you've dealt with them as well :-)))





I used to work for Albie, btw... most of my flying in tht area was at
Van Sant, though..


those were the days..

God, for a second there I thought I might have figured out who you
were. I thought for a moment you might be Bert Size from HiLine
Montgomeryville Airport. Ed Size was his father and ran Hi Line. I
used to instruct there with Bert. That would mean you and I had
actually worked and flown together at one time. Man, now THAT would be
a small world!!!!

Mmm, no, i don't know them. Vitao Bruzas and Vern Moyer, yes.

The gang from Hi Line would fly up to Van Sant and just sit around on
the grass shooting the pervibal bull. Van Sant was a great little
field for just playing around with airplanes as I'm sure you know.

Oh yes, I know. I have flown many many hours there.

You're right, those days were the most fun you could have with your
clothes on and we'll never see the likes of them again I'm afraid.

Nope.


Bertie

Bob Moore wrote in
46.128:

Dudley Henriques wrote
Steve and I knew each other quite well many years ago when he was a
partner in the old Valley Forge Airport in Pa. His partner had a
French wife you had to see to believe. If I remember right (and who
could forget her..her name was Yvette. :-)

That would have been Norm Hortman....a TWA B-747 Captain, and Yvette
was a former TWA Flight Attendant. Norm would later own the old 3M
airport just north of Philly. He and Yvette had a Part 141 Certificate
and School. I got my CFI/CFII there about 3-4 years after joining
PanAm.

Norm would fly to JFK for his TWA flights in an Aztec. Yvette became
an ATP flying him back and forth. She managed the Part 141 School and
was a real "BITCH".


Oh yes, famous, she was..

Bertie

Dudley Henriques wrote in
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On 2007-06-12 16:06:36 -0400, Bob Moore
said:

Dudley Henriques wrote
Steve and I knew each other quite well many years ago when he was a
partner in the old Valley Forge Airport in Pa. His partner had a
French wife you had to see to believe. If I remember right (and who
could forget her..her name was Yvette. :-)

That would have been Norm Hortman....a TWA B-747 Captain, and Yvette
was a former TWA Flight Attendant. Norm would later own the old 3M
airport just north of Philly. He and Yvette had a Part 141
Certificate and School. I got my CFI/CFII there about 3-4 years
after joining PanAm.

Norm would fly to JFK for his TWA flights in an Aztec. Yvette became
an ATP flying him back and forth. She managed the Part 141 School
and was a real "BITCH".

Some years later, Norm bought the farm when the battery in the Aztec
broke loose in IMC turbulent conditions and started an inflight fire.

Norm was one of the original American AA-1 Yankee distributors and I
was doing some part time work for one of his dealers across the river
at the Burlington, Co. airport. I still have a picture of Norm and
myself and a AA-1.

Bob Moore

I remember the Hortman's well, and you and I are for once in complete
agreement on Mrs. Hortman :-) Her "attitude" was a legend in Pa.
I instructed over at Burlington County when it was Cameron Field. At
that time it was owned by Dave and Phil Cohen who also owned an
ornamental iron works factory if I remember right. The guy I worked
for at Cameron was a real character named Orville Jenkins.
Between Orville going off flying a Goose all the time and me getting
stuck with all the students and dodging parachutes all day long, life
was interesting to say the least.
Do you remember Bill Whitsell from over at Flying W or Freddy Tonyas.
Fred grabbed my AT6 one evening over at Clementon and buzzed the
Silverlake Inn. They got the number and it took me two days to
convince the fuzz it wasn't me. Fred I believe ended up a Captain for
United, and Whitesell was an Eastern Captain who worked a great deal
on his medical insurance I think. Anyway, the money to build Flying W
had to come from somewhere :-)


Holy ****.. How old are you?

You must have known Bob Cummings then..
I knew some of the guys who flew C-46's out of Flying W in their early
days.. And you must have known Al Syther..

Tonyas at last look was living in Whitsells house over at Flying W,
and the Cohens had turnedCameron Field into an industrial park which I
believe is not Burlington County Airport.
But the guy who was Snyder's partner with the wife named Yvette was
another guy. I just can't remember his name off the top of my head but
it definately wasn't Hortman and was another Yvette.

That's right. I knew them both and it wasn't the Hortmans. I can't see
them getting on with Steve, or anyone else for that matter. Only the
most desperate would look for a job at 3M.

Dudley Henriques wrote in news:2007061217045650073-
dhenriques@rcncom:

On 2007-06-12 16:39:31 -0400, Bob Moore said:

Dudley Henriques wrote
Do you remember Bill Whitsell from over at Flying W

Yes...Bill wanted to buy his son an airplane and asked me to
demonstrate the Yankee to him. Unfortunately, it was fully
fueled. The stall warning started at liftoff and continued
until the wheels were back on the ground 5-10 min. later. To
say that Bill was somewhat large is a gross understatement.
He immediately decided not to buy a Yankee.

Bob Moore

Yup. That sounds like Bill...flowing white mane and all. He was quite a
salesman too. I remember one day I had a P51 over at Flying W sitting
around next to the pool shooting the bull with Milo Ticheck (one of
Bill's instructors at the time) when in flew Bob Cummings (the actor)
in a beautiful D18 Beech. Before dinner was over, Bill had bought the
D18, sold Cummings an Aztec and if I remember right, an interest in the
airport as well.
You just HAVE to admire that caliber of talent :-)

Yes, that's right. Bob had a share in flying W. I only ever saw it from the
air, long closed. It's airplane shaped swimming pool a Hollywood Boulevard
style ghost of aviation as it once had been..


Bertie

On 2007-06-12 17:15:02 -0400, Bertie the Bunyip said:

Dudley Henriques wrote in
news:2007061216233516807-dhenriques@rcncom:

On 2007-06-12 16:06:36 -0400, Bob Moore
said:

Dudley Henriques wrote
Steve and I knew each other quite well many years ago when he was a
partner in the old Valley Forge Airport in Pa. His partner had a
French wife you had to see to believe. If I remember right (and who
could forget her..her name was Yvette. :-)

That would have been Norm Hortman....a TWA B-747 Captain, and Yvette
was a former TWA Flight Attendant. Norm would later own the old 3M
airport just north of Philly. He and Yvette had a Part 141
Certificate and School. I got my CFI/CFII there about 3-4 years
after joining PanAm.

Norm would fly to JFK for his TWA flights in an Aztec. Yvette became
an ATP flying him back and forth. She managed the Part 141 School
and was a real "BITCH".

Some years later, Norm bought the farm when the battery in the Aztec
broke loose in IMC turbulent conditions and started an inflight fire.

Norm was one of the original American AA-1 Yankee distributors and I
was doing some part time work for one of his dealers across the river
at the Burlington, Co. airport. I still have a picture of Norm and
myself and a AA-1.

Bob Moore

I remember the Hortman's well, and you and I are for once in complete
agreement on Mrs. Hortman :-) Her "attitude" was a legend in Pa.
I instructed over at Burlington County when it was Cameron Field. At
that time it was owned by Dave and Phil Cohen who also owned an
ornamental iron works factory if I remember right. The guy I worked
for at Cameron was a real character named Orville Jenkins.
Between Orville going off flying a Goose all the time and me getting
stuck with all the students and dodging parachutes all day long, life
was interesting to say the least.
Do you remember Bill Whitsell from over at Flying W or Freddy Tonyas.
Fred grabbed my AT6 one evening over at Clementon and buzzed the
Silverlake Inn. They got the number and it took me two days to
convince the fuzz it wasn't me. Fred I believe ended up a Captain for
United, and Whitesell was an Eastern Captain who worked a great deal
on his medical insurance I think. Anyway, the money to build Flying W
had to come from somewhere :-)


Holy ****.. How old are you?

You don't really want to know do you? :-)))

You must have known Bob Cummings then..

I met him the day Whitesell sold him the Aztec. He had come in to do a
show at the Valley Forge Music Fair and he took a few of us along that
night as his guests. VERY nice guy, and really a pleasure to be around.
He showed us his FAA license. The number was the lowest I had ever seen.
Along with getting to know Cummings that night I had another lucky
encounter. I went out to the hot dog stand to get a dog and this very
attractive woman was standing there in costume from the show eating a
dog. It was Juliet Prowse. Real nice people in that show
:-))
I knew some of the guys who flew C-46's out of Flying W in their early
days.. And you must have known Al Syther..
Don't remember him, but I do remember Zantop flying those Curtis
Electric Prop C46 Doom Buggies out of Wilmington.

Tonyas at last look was living in Whitsells house over at Flying W,
and the Cohens had turnedCameron Field into an industrial park which I
believe is not Burlington County Airport.
But the guy who was Snyder's partner with the wife named Yvette was
another guy. I just can't remember his name off the top of my head but
it definately wasn't Hortman and was another Yvette.

That's right. I knew them both and it wasn't the Hortmans. I can't see
them getting on with Steve, or anyone else for that matter. Only the
most desperate would look for a job at 3M.

His name was Doug something.
Dudley

Dudley Henriques wrote in
news:200706121728118930-dhenriques@rcncom:

On 2007-06-12 17:15:02 -0400, Bertie the Bunyip
said:

Dudley Henriques wrote in
news:2007061216233516807-dhenriques@rcncom:

On 2007-06-12 16:06:36 -0400, Bob Moore
said:

Dudley Henriques wrote
Steve and I knew each other quite well many years ago when he was
a partner in the old Valley Forge Airport in Pa. His partner had a
French wife you had to see to believe. If I remember right (and
who could forget her..her name was Yvette. :-)

That would have been Norm Hortman....a TWA B-747 Captain, and
Yvette was a former TWA Flight Attendant. Norm would later own the
old 3M airport just north of Philly. He and Yvette had a Part 141
Certificate and School. I got my CFI/CFII there about 3-4 years
after joining PanAm.

Norm would fly to JFK for his TWA flights in an Aztec. Yvette
became an ATP flying him back and forth. She managed the Part 141
School and was a real "BITCH".

Some years later, Norm bought the farm when the battery in the
Aztec broke loose in IMC turbulent conditions and started an
inflight fire.

Norm was one of the original American AA-1 Yankee distributors and
I was doing some part time work for one of his dealers across the
river at the Burlington, Co. airport. I still have a picture of
Norm and myself and a AA-1.

Bob Moore

I remember the Hortman's well, and you and I are for once in
complete agreement on Mrs. Hortman :-) Her "attitude" was a legend
in Pa. I instructed over at Burlington County when it was Cameron
Field. At that time it was owned by Dave and Phil Cohen who also
owned an ornamental iron works factory if I remember right. The guy
I worked for at Cameron was a real character named Orville Jenkins.
Between Orville going off flying a Goose all the time and me getting
stuck with all the students and dodging parachutes all day long,
life was interesting to say the least.
Do you remember Bill Whitsell from over at Flying W or Freddy
Tonyas. Fred grabbed my AT6 one evening over at Clementon and buzzed
the Silverlake Inn. They got the number and it took me two days to
convince the fuzz it wasn't me. Fred I believe ended up a Captain
for United, and Whitesell was an Eastern Captain who worked a great
deal on his medical insurance I think. Anyway, the money to build
Flying W had to come from somewhere :-)


Holy ****.. How old are you?

You don't really want to know do you? :-)))

You must have known Bob Cummings then..

I met him the day Whitesell sold him the Aztec. He had come in to do a
show at the Valley Forge Music Fair and he took a few of us along that
night as his guests. VERY nice guy, and really a pleasure to be
around. He showed us his FAA license. The number was the lowest I had
ever seen.

Bet it wasn't lower than Chet Vogt's! Did you know him?


Along with getting to know Cummings that night I had
another lucky encounter. I went out to the hot dog stand to get a dog
and this very attractive woman was standing there in costume from the
show eating a dog. It was Juliet Prowse. Real nice people in that show
:-))


Cool.


I knew some of the guys who flew C-46's out of Flying W in their
early days.. And you must have known Al Syther..
Don't remember him, but I do remember Zantop flying those Curtis
Electric Prop C46 Doom Buggies out of Wilmington.

Well, Al didn't fly C-46s. he was just around there since forever. He
was managing BCA when I hauled jumpers for Steve.


Tonyas at last look was living in Whitsells house over at Flying W,
and the Cohens had turnedCameron Field into an industrial park which
I believe is not Burlington County Airport.
But the guy who was Snyder's partner with the wife named Yvette was
another guy. I just can't remember his name off the top of my head
but it definately wasn't Hortman and was another Yvette.

That's right. I knew them both and it wasn't the Hortmans. I can't
see them getting on with Steve, or anyone else for that matter. Only
the most desperate would look for a job at 3M.

His name was Doug something.

mmm, don't remember. I met them OK, but that's all.
You must have also known Sal Labate before his fall from grace. I also
knew Nick D'Appuzo quite well, and was hoping to at last buy a set of
flying wires but alas he was finished before my project. I also met Ed
Mahler and Rod Joslin, obviously because of Nick.
I can never see "Cheers" without thinking of Nick



Bertie

Bertie

On 2007-06-12 17:37:24 -0400, Bertie the Bunyip said:

I also met Ed
Mahler and Rod Joslin, obviously because of Nick.
I can never see "Cheers" without thinking of Nick

I don't remember the others, but I knew Big Ed and of course knew Rod
from his acro work also. Both were great pilots. Ed of course bought
the farm on a photo shoot when the tail came off his bird. I lost track
of Joslin and don't know where he ended up.
Ed and Bobby Fisher and Corky Fornof formed the first BD5 jet team.
Cork and I still communicate sometimes. He's living out in Houston and
still doing movie work. His dad Bill of course went in at Quonset Point
the same day as the Cape May Race disaster down at the shore.
I lost two friends in the T6 race that day; 5 went in. REAL bad day!!
Dudley

On 2007-06-12 18:02:02 -0400, Dudley Henriques said:

On 2007-06-12 17:37:24 -0400, Bertie the Bunyip said:

I also met Ed
Mahler and Rod Joslin, obviously because of Nick.
I can never see "Cheers" without thinking of Nick

I don't remember the others, but I knew Big Ed and of course knew Rod
from his acro work also. Both were great pilots. Ed of course bought
the farm on a photo shoot when the tail came off his bird. I lost track
of Joslin and don't know where he ended up.

Ed and Bobby Fisher and Corky Fornof formed the first BD5 jet team.

God, I must be thinking chess today for some reason. That's Bobby
Bishop not Bobby Fisher!!! :-))))
DH

Dudley Henriques wrote in
news:2007061218020227544-dhenriques@rcncom:

On 2007-06-12 17:37:24 -0400, Bertie the Bunyip
said:

I also met Ed
Mahler and Rod Joslin, obviously because of Nick.
I can never see "Cheers" without thinking of Nick

I don't remember the others, but I knew Big Ed and of course knew Rod
from his acro work also. Both were great pilots. Ed of course bought
the farm on a photo shoot when the tail came off his bird. I lost
track of Joslin and don't know where he ended up.
Ed and Bobby Fisher and Corky Fornof formed the first BD5 jet team.
Cork and I still communicate sometimes. He's living out in Houston and
still doing movie work. His dad Bill of course went in at Quonset
Point the same day as the Cape May Race disaster down at the shore.
I lost two friends in the T6 race that day; 5 went in. REAL bad day!!
Dudley

Yes, I saw it... Also the first time I saw Bob Hoover fly..


Bertie