P-51 question.

unists (JStONGE123) wrote:

Why was the P-51 not used on aircraft carriers during WWII? Beside the obvious
no tail hook.....ect.

Actually it was tested in early 1944. One P-51D was modified at the
factory with strengthened inboard wing panels, a taller fin and
rudder, strengthening of the upper wing panels. It was tested making
simulated deck landings quite successfully.

Another P-51D was fitted with a tail hook and some strengthening in
the tail area. Test catapult launches in Philadelphia were so
successful that follow up tests were canceled.

In November 1944, flight tests were conducted off of Norfolk using the
USS Shangrila. 5 landings and takeoffs were conducted. The takeoffs
were using 700' mark, 600' mark and 250' mark. All successful.

With the aircraft at max gross weight, the run out on landing was 82'.

North American did a series of design studies designated P-51H that
included an arrestor hook and folding wingtips.

Comparative trials were flown between the Corsair F4U-1 and 1A and a
P-51B. The most telling points, the Corsair had the same range as the
Mustang but twice the firepower. The Corsair was faster than the P-51B
up to 24,500 feet. Above that the Mustang had the edge.

The Corsairs had a better climb rate to 20,000 feet and better level
flight acceleration.

Anyway, there's quite a bit more to the critiques, but the bottom line
was that the Navy elected to stay with the aircraft it was already
using in spite of the fact that the Mustang did show a lot of promise.

There's quite a bit of information about this in "The North American
Mustang" by M.J. Hardy.

I've put two pictures of the plane landing on the Shangrila at
http://home.mindspring.com/~scottp4/p51/





Scott Peterson


Santa's elves are just a bunch of subordinate Clauses.

wrote:

"Ed Majden" wrote:
wrote:

Me...hostile towards Canada? Nah...

-Mike (So, when are you guys going to join the US in Iraq?) Marron

I'm too dammed old and besides I served my time, 28 years of it!

Maybe that explains why it's so tough keeping you focused and
on-topic. Note that " you guys" in my sentence above clearly
distinguishes between singular (e.g: one) and plural (e.g: more than
one). In other words, Ed, since I have to spell it out for you, "you
guys" meant Canada, not YOU.

Why aren't you over there serving your country??????

See above.

-Mike (So, when is CA-NA-DUH going to join the US in Iraq?) Marron

Maroon?!?...hostile towards Canada?!?...don't be silly Ed...he's
just plain hostile...probably under endowed and mad at the
world...

Gord(who served 26 years)Beaman

(wonder how many the maroon served?)

In message , Ed Majden
writes
"Gord Beaman"
Maroon?!?...hostile towards Canada?!?...don't be silly Ed...he's
just plain hostile...probably under endowed and mad at the
world...

Gord(who served 26 years)Beaman

(wonder how many the maroon served?)

I should know better than to respond to Marron's postings!

Mr Marron does tend to know his stuff - which doesn't prevent him from
****ing people off. Mr Beaman, likewise, has demonstrated a very
interesting depth of expertise and research. I don't know Mr Majden as
well yet, but I've seen no reason to question his competence or
knowledge.

Can't we all just get along? This is a political squabble, with no
relationship to technical experience or understanding. It does not
relate to technical fact. It's possible to ignore someone's political
pronouncements while still appreciating their experience and knowledge.

(I know I'm wasting oil on troubled waters, but I've appreciated all
three combatants' postings... hate to lose good facts over a squabble)

--
When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.
W S Churchill

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

"Paul J. Adam" wrote:

Can't we all just get along? This is a political squabble, with no
relationship to technical experience or understanding. It does not
relate to technical fact. It's possible to ignore someone's political
pronouncements while still appreciating their experience and knowledge.

Nope. The relationship is like that of the English and Irish with out
the aspects that necessarily involve an analogue of the Bureau of
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, i.e. a sibling rivalry.

(I know I'm wasting oil on troubled waters, but I've appreciated all
three combatants' postings... hate to lose good facts over a squabble)

(With catalyst and open flame) Cheers!
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

"Paul J. Adam" wrote:

Mr Marron does tend to know his stuff - which doesn't prevent him from
****ing people off.

Well, unlike a few of these wishy washy old RCAF fartblossoms
around here (who **** ME off) at least I'm consistent. Like their
quasi-socialist leader, Gord and his Canuck cohorts opinions on
matters regarding everything from national security to marketing
101 swing back and forth more than a Clydesdales balls on a hot
summer day!

-Mike Marron

Mike Marron wrote:

Like their
quasi-socialist leader, Gord and his Canuck cohorts opinions on
matters regarding everything from national security to marketing
101 swing back and forth more than a Clydesdales balls on a hot
summer day!

And your familiarity with the phenomenon on which to base your simile
comes from your close association with horses' arses. :^)
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

"Ed Majden" wrote:


"Gord Beaman"
Maroon?!?...hostile towards Canada?!?...don't be silly Ed...he's
just plain hostile...probably under endowed and mad at the
world...

Gord(who served 26 years)Beaman

(wonder how many the maroon served?)

I should know better than to respond to Marron's postings! The
un-informed and ignorant **** me off! Where and with who did you serve your
26 years. I was with the RCAF and CAF.
Ed


Same Ed, 6 yrs in Greenwood as AET, F/E on Lancs and Neptunes...6
in Downsview F/E on C-119's...6 in Ottawa (Uplands) F/E on
Cosmopolitans then 8 in Summerside F/E on Argus. I've been
retired for 36 yrs now.

You?.
--

-Gord.

"Gord Beaman"
Same Ed, 6 yrs in Greenwood as AET, F/E on Lancs and Neptunes...6
in Downsview F/E on C-119's...6 in Ottawa (Uplands) F/E on
Cosmopolitans then 8 in Summerside F/E on Argus. I've been
retired for 36 yrs now.

You?.
--
Gord:
Enlisted in 1958 and trained as an AST later called RST. First ops
station, St.Huberts on Cf-100 Mk-5's, Greenwood for six months (Torpedos and
Argus), Bagotville for six months CF-100 MK-5's. Then to 2(F)Wing France on
CF-100's Mk-4's.. (They were beefing up I Air Div because of the Berlin Wall
crisis), 3(F)Wing Germany ( We assembled the first CF-104's when they were
flown over in Hercs), then Cold Lake on CF-104's, 447 SQN LaMacaza on
CIM10B Bomarcs, North Bay on CIM10B Bomarcs, then Comox on the CF-101B.
Last few months in NavCom Labs in support of the Aurora and 442 SAR Sqn
after the Voodoo was phased out of service. Retired in 1986.
Ed

Your time in St-Hubert & Bagotville was with which unit? Was it with 433 ...
I'm with 433 right now in Bagotville.

What trade was RST?

Pat

"Ed Majden" a écrit dans le message de
. ca...

"Gord Beaman"
Same Ed, 6 yrs in Greenwood as AET, F/E on Lancs and Neptunes...6
in Downsview F/E on C-119's...6 in Ottawa (Uplands) F/E on
Cosmopolitans then 8 in Summerside F/E on Argus. I've been
retired for 36 yrs now.

You?.
--
Gord:
Enlisted in 1958 and trained as an AST later called RST. First ops
station, St.Huberts on Cf-100 Mk-5's, Greenwood for six months (Torpedos
and
Argus), Bagotville for six months CF-100 MK-5's. Then to 2(F)Wing France
on
CF-100's Mk-4's.. (They were beefing up I Air Div because of the Berlin
Wall
crisis), 3(F)Wing Germany ( We assembled the first CF-104's when they were
flown over in Hercs), then Cold Lake on CF-104's, 447 SQN LaMacaza on
CIM10B Bomarcs, North Bay on CIM10B Bomarcs, then Comox on the CF-101B.
Last few months in NavCom Labs in support of the Aurora and 442 SAR Sqn
after the Voodoo was phased out of service. Retired in 1986.
Ed

Hi Ed

No. 413 'Tusker' AW (F) Squadron flew the CF-100 MK. 5 at R.C.A.F.
Station Bagotville from the 1st of May 1957 to the end of December 1961.

No. 432 'Black Cougar' AW (F) Squadron flew the CF-100 Mk. 5 at R.C.A.F.
Station Bagotville from June 1956 to the 15th of October 1961.

Cheers...Chris