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Agreed. *But NORAD's response time also highlighted how porous our air
defenses had become with the post-Cold War draw-down in our Air Force. The air defenses weren't porous at all. *The threat didn't come from outside our borders and that was the primary threat that NORAD was created to defend against. *It was never meant to defend from an attack from within using commercial airplanes. *Sheesh. Missed the point completely -- again. The meager response to the scramble alert is the point -- not the basis of the threat. Whether they're responding to a C-130 full of midgets flying out of Oshkosh, or 10 SU-35s coming in at mast-top level down the Potomac, the fact remains that NORAD could not scramble more than a tiny handful of aircraft in response. Do a little reading on the subject -- NORAD didn't have another squadron of F-15s on stand-by. What responded was EVERYTHING we had in the sector. And it was pathetic. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Jay Honeck wrote:
Agreed. ?But NORAD's response time also highlighted how porous our air defenses had become with the post-Cold War draw-down in our Air Force. The air defenses weren't porous at all. ?The threat didn't come from outside our borders and that was the primary threat that NORAD was created to defend against. ?It was never meant to defend from an attack from within using commercial airplanes. ?Sheesh. Missed the point completely -- again. The meager response to the scramble alert is the point -- not the basis of the threat. Whether they're responding to a C-130 full of midgets flying out of Oshkosh, or 10 SU-35s coming in at mast-top level down the Potomac, the fact remains that NORAD could not scramble more than a tiny handful of aircraft in response. Do a little reading on the subject -- NORAD didn't have another squadron of F-15s on stand-by. What responded was EVERYTHING we had in the sector. And it was pathetic. So your solution to airliner jacking is to have squadrons of fighters around every city in the USA? -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Jay Honeck wrote:
Agreed. But NORAD's response time also highlighted how porous our air defenses had become with the post-Cold War draw-down in our Air Force. The air defenses weren't porous at all. The threat didn't come from outside our borders and that was the primary threat that NORAD was created to defend against. It was never meant to defend from an attack from within using commercial airplanes. Sheesh. Missed the point completely -- again. No, I got the point precisely. The point that you don't understand at all the mission of NORAD. The meager response to the scramble alert is the point -- not the basis of the threat. Whether they're responding to a C-130 full of midgets flying out of Oshkosh, or 10 SU-35s coming in at mast-top level down the Potomac, the fact remains that NORAD could not scramble more than a tiny handful of aircraft in response. Do a little reading on the subject -- NORAD didn't have another squadron of F-15s on stand-by. What responded was EVERYTHING we had in the sector. And it was pathetic. And there was no need to multiple squadrons on stand-by on the east coast of the USA. Matt |
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On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 11:16:38 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote: Jay Honeck wrote in : Agreed. *But NORAD's response time also highlighted how porous our air defenses had become with the post-Cold War draw-down in our Air Force. ah, Jay, NORAD never ever had the mission of looking inside our borders un til AFTER 9/11. *NORAD didn't have the radar feeds necessary to look across the NAS. It's not the radar detection (or lack thereof) that raised eyebrows -- it was the inability to scramble *any* aircraft in a timely fashion once the attack was acknowledged. If that attack *had* been waves of bombers coming over the north pole, America would have been defenseless. you're as big an iiot as Anthony is. Bertie ******************************** Bertie I spent 15 years in the Air Defense Command and we furnished thousands of fighters to NORAD for operations. Any aircraft we had on NORAD alert were ARMED (including NUCLEAR Air to air Rocket with a Pk of almost 100% that was test fired over a group (some friends of mine)standing in the open at ground zero). Listening to the arm chair experts on this news group who may have soloed a GA I have refrained myself from trying to outline the old and current NORAD operations. They wouldn't believe me so why try to educate them on the where's and why's of the real world. Keep on trying to keep the dishonest, honest Bertie. Big John |
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Big John wrote in
: you're as big an iiot as Anthony is. Bertie ******************************** Bertie I spent 15 years in the Air Defense Command and we furnished thousands of fighters to NORAD for operations. Any aircraft we had on NORAD alert were ARMED (including NUCLEAR Air to air Rocket with a Pk of almost 100% that was test fired over a group (some friends of mine)standing in the open at ground zero). Listening to the arm chair experts on this news group who may have soloed a GA I have refrained myself from trying to outline the old and current NORAD operations. They wouldn't believe me so why try to educate them on the where's and why's of the real world. Keep on trying to keep the dishonest, honest Bertie. OK, will do , And merry christmas to you. here's to the day when the only thing the air force does is airshows! Bertie |
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Jay Honeck wrote:
Agreed. But NORAD's response time also highlighted how porous our air defenses had become with the post-Cold War draw-down in our Air Force. The air defenses weren't porous at all. The threat didn't come from outside our borders and that was the primary threat that NORAD was created to defend against. It was never meant to defend from an attack from within using commercial airplanes. Sheesh. Missed the point completely -- again. The meager response to the scramble alert is the point -- not the basis of the threat. Whether they're responding to a C-130 full of midgets flying out of Oshkosh, or 10 SU-35s coming in at mast-top level down the Potomac, the fact remains that NORAD could not scramble more than a tiny handful of aircraft in response. Do a little reading on the subject -- NORAD didn't have another squadron of F-15s on stand-by. What responded was EVERYTHING we had in the sector. And it was pathetic. You may want to do a little reading on the subject. Here is a link to get you started on the mission of NORAD prior to 9/11. It has changed since then, but tracking and intercepting domestic flights wasn't a high priority pre-9/11. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_A...efense_Command Matt |
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Matt Whiting wrote in news:u_icj.1226$2n4.29086
@news1.epix.net: Jay Honeck wrote: Agreed. But NORAD's response time also highlighted how porous our air defenses had become with the post-Cold War draw-down in our Air Force. The air defenses weren't porous at all. The threat didn't come from outside our borders and that was the primary threat that NORAD was created to defend against. It was never meant to defend from an attack from within using commercial airplanes. Sheesh. Missed the point completely -- again. The meager response to the scramble alert is the point -- not the basis of the threat. Whether they're responding to a C-130 full of midgets flying out of Oshkosh, or 10 SU-35s coming in at mast-top level down the Potomac, the fact remains that NORAD could not scramble more than a tiny handful of aircraft in response. Do a little reading on the subject -- NORAD didn't have another squadron of F-15s on stand-by. What responded was EVERYTHING we had in the sector. And it was pathetic. You may want to do a little reading on the subject. If that's a bet, I'll take it. Bertie |
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