PC flight simulators

Pooh Bear wrote:
"Bjørnar Bolsøy" wrote:

I was wondering if anyone in this NG play simulators?
If so, which one? What's the best out there, currently.

Checked out any of the flight sim groups ?

There's some awesome add-ons for MS Flight Simulator including
multiple screen support. You'll need mutliple PCs and a server
though. :-)

I don't know what sim it is but this setup looks impressive.
http://jameshart.mine.nu/ngs/flysim.jpg

--
James...
http://www.jameshart.co.uk/

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: PC flight simulators
From: "Bjørnar Bolsøy" am
Date: 11/16/03 3:49 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


I was wondering if anyone in this NG play simulators?
If so, which one? What's the best out there, currently.


Regards...

They are not really simulators. They are just computer games.

An acquaintance of mine is a relief pilot for a regional airline. Rather
than fixed routes, he has to be ready to fly to every airport that the
company services. He uses MS Flight Sim to refresh his memory of airports
that he has not been to for a while. Add on scenery shows realistic airport
layout & hazards. As a passenger I am happy that he has played a game prior
to the real thing.

In message , Alan Minyard
writes
Flying at night (in the US) does not require an IFR ticket.

Nor in the UK, but it does require an extra ticket: typically ~5 hours
(as opposed to at least 10hrs plus lots of maintenance for IFR - if it
was easy, everyone would do it)

--
When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.
W S Churchill

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

Alan, as you know, something happens when you are socked in with zero
vivsibility and on IFR that never happens on a computer in an easy chair. A
sense of mild discomfort and a bit of anxiety which if not kept under
control can lead to disaster. Pilots with long IFR hours can usually deal
with
it in a routine matter. But MSFS will never give you the experience to walk
that IFR walk with ease and comfort. I think John John Kennedy spent long
hours
on MSFS.. He enjoyed it a great deal.


Well IFR on a desktop sim, which many of them are far far better than many of
the older analog sims which are used for ifr training, is not something that is
going to build proficiency or comfort when going down to mins...

But it can be great for honing procedures and practicing approaches, which can
make you a better IFR pilot.


Ron
Pilot/Wildland Firefighter

On 18 Nov 2003 18:16:49 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

During WW II we had a simulator at Lake Charles. It was a real B-26 Martin
Marauder truncated and mounted in a hanger. When youi climbed into it you could
smell the cordite, urine, vomit and 100 octane.You strapped yourself in and you
could smell the leather on the seats. It behaved llike a real plane in every
sense including the feel of the controls, the operation of the Norden bombsight
and the results of doing bomb runs in that simulator. Now that is a simulator.
MSFS doesn''t quite cut it.. But in those years with a war on, flying was a
serious life and death affair, especially in Marauders. . No nonsense allowed.

Is there any reference to this simulator available?

How was the view system done to get the Norden training? How were the
instruments in the cockpit powered? How was force-feedback of the
control column performed?


Questions over questions by someone who thought that the first
full-motion simulator was made for the Boeing 727....





Bye
Andreas

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:27:30 -0000, "James Hart"
wrote:


I don't know what sim it is but this setup looks impressive.
http://jameshart.mine.nu/ngs/flysim.jpg

Check that....
http://www.projectmagenta.com/

based (as your link) on FS2002.


Bye
Andreas

(ArtKramr) wrote in
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Subject: PC flight simulators
From: "Jim Baker"
Date: 11/16/03 8:14 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

AND, I play with the Microsoft Flight Sim sometimes just for the
hell of it.

Play is right That's what I said in the first place.

If you look carefully, the person that you were responding to said it too
(he specificlly said "play simulators"), you just decided to make an
issue of it. Would someone who was hopeing to use a simulator to learn
how to fly would describe it as "play"?

Your post seemed to me to be more about how cool you are, not anything
haveing to do with computer games.

You are missing something.
Yes if you take the feeling of the fly, a pc cant give you this =
feeling.
But there are other things, especialy in online simulation.
Your enemy is real humans. They are clever, they learn day by day,
they do immelmans,hi yo-yos,low yo-yos,scissors,barrels, you need
SA to the limits when you are in the meadle of 15 enemy fighters,
you need to know ballistics to shoot angles (WWII sim) you learn
wingman tactics,squadron tactics,bombing ,dogfighting, with no real =
planes,
BUT very near to the real ones.(flying characteristics).
One thing is real at the online sims. The feaver of the battle with your =
human
enemies. Real pilots use real tactics there with near to real planes.
Especialy in WWII sim's you dont fight with buttons. You fight with REAL
Energy Management tactics, all props are underpowered,Real T&B tactics,
and in general you need to Know Real Combat Manuvers and flying theory
to survive.And ofcourse you need to know your plane and your enemy plane.
And more than everything you need to know how to shoot this devil infrond
of you at 400y who never stay steady.
We miss the real feeling of the flight witch a pc cant give you. Yet.


On 18 Nov 2003 17:02:33 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

Subject: PC flight simulators
From: "Anonymous" =20
Date: 11/18/03 7:07 AM Pacific Standard Time

But I still wouldn't class MSFS as a game simply because it isn't =
capable of
offering what a real aircraft or a purpose-built
multi-million =A3/$ aircraft simulator can.

MSFS can teach you things. But it is a game that can teach you things. =
Of all
the responses I got to my oirst post mostly insulting flames and =
personal
attacks most refused to accept the fact that it wasn't flying and =
resented it
being called a game. It is a damned computewr game. When you sit at your
computer you are not flying anything. You are playing a computer game. =
It had
educational benefits, biut it is still a game. If all you ever know =
about
entering a pattern you learn from MSFS, you are in deep troub;le. Very =
deep
trouble.If the only IFR you ever learn is from MSFS you are in deep =
trouble.
If youi have no air time but thousands of hours on MSFS, you still can't=
fly a
damn thing except FS. And that amounts to the fact that you have become=
good
at a game. Nothing more. It also shows that reality is slipping away =
from many
on this NG. Or maybe it was never there.But your post takes a more =
balanced
view without a flame in sight.Thank you for that..

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Pooh Bear wrote in
:
"Bjørnar Bolsøy" wrote:

I was wondering if anyone in this NG play simulators?
If so, which one? What's the best out there, currently.

Checked out any of the flight sim groups ?

There's some awesome add-ons for MS Flight Simulator including
multiple screen support. You'll need mutliple PCs and a server
though. :-)

Hm.. Just an update, seems MSFS2004 has multimonitor support
both through a single videocard with dual-screen capability,
or using multiple videocards.


http://www.microsoft.com/games/flightsimulator/fs2004
_multimonitor.asp



Regards...

(ArtKramr) wrote:


I've always been polite to you even with a disagreement. Why are you all of
a sudden getting ****y with Art Kramer and me?

Bewildered,

Tex


Bad manners and the delusion that sitting at a computer paying with games is
the same as really flying.


Arthur Kramer

Gee Kramer, didn't get enough bang for your buck so you thought
that you'd do some trolling eh?.

This portion of the thread was over TWO DAYS AGO. I already
apologized to Tex nearly two days ago and you saw no more
comments from anyone so you thought you'd stir the pot some did
you?.
--

-Gord.