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  #21  
Old August 14th 19, 03:33 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Dan Marotta
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Default Tow plane types/mods for high density altitude glider towing

That is super!

Was there any difficulty with your CAA or was the GFA authorized to make
those mods?

On 8/13/2019 2:08 PM, JS wrote:
Regarding mods, the eTug deserves mention.
A Pawnee with a 350 cubic inch Chevy LS1 running on Mogas. Early experiments provided too steep a climb angle, so the original 4-blade prop was adjusted to decrease the climb rate. Now it has a different prop.
I've hooked many gliders up to eTug, yet to tow behind it.

https://www.glidingclub.org.au/membe...aircraft/etug/

These days a crate LS3 engine can be purchased for about $8000 and produces 430HP on Mogas. Car engines require a PSRU (speed reduction).

https://www.gmperformancemotor.com/p... AhPlEALw_wcB

Not much concern about shock cooling or leaded Avgas going away.
Jim


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  #22  
Old August 14th 19, 05:34 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Craig Funston[_3_]
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Default Tow plane types/mods for high density altitude glider towing

On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 7:33:57 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
That is super!

Was there any difficulty with your CAA or was the GFA authorized to make
those mods?

On 8/13/2019 2:08 PM, JS wrote:
Regarding mods, the eTug deserves mention.
A Pawnee with a 350 cubic inch Chevy LS1 running on Mogas. Early experiments provided too steep a climb angle, so the original 4-blade prop was adjusted to decrease the climb rate. Now it has a different prop.
I've hooked many gliders up to eTug, yet to tow behind it.

https://www.glidingclub.org.au/membe...aircraft/etug/

These days a crate LS3 engine can be purchased for about $8000 and produces 430HP on Mogas. Car engines require a PSRU (speed reduction).

https://www.gmperformancemotor.com/p... AhPlEALw_wcB

Not much concern about shock cooling or leaded Avgas going away.
Jim


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Dan, 5J


Akaflieg Stuttgart just flew their concept of an optimized towplane. Congratulations to all the students and their mentors.

https://akaflieg.hg.stuvus.uni-stutt...EvgsGCyBGeZLCI

Craig
  #23  
Old August 14th 19, 06:03 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
John Foster
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Default Tow plane types/mods for high density altitude glider towing

On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 10:35:01 AM UTC-6, Craig Funston wrote:
On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 7:33:57 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
That is super!

Was there any difficulty with your CAA or was the GFA authorized to make
those mods?

On 8/13/2019 2:08 PM, JS wrote:
Regarding mods, the eTug deserves mention.
A Pawnee with a 350 cubic inch Chevy LS1 running on Mogas. Early experiments provided too steep a climb angle, so the original 4-blade prop was adjusted to decrease the climb rate. Now it has a different prop.
I've hooked many gliders up to eTug, yet to tow behind it.

https://www.glidingclub.org.au/membe...aircraft/etug/

These days a crate LS3 engine can be purchased for about $8000 and produces 430HP on Mogas. Car engines require a PSRU (speed reduction).

https://www.gmperformancemotor.com/p... AhPlEALw_wcB

Not much concern about shock cooling or leaded Avgas going away.
Jim


--
Dan, 5J


Akaflieg Stuttgart just flew their concept of an optimized towplane. Congratulations to all the students and their mentors.

https://akaflieg.hg.stuvus.uni-stutt...EvgsGCyBGeZLCI

Craig


That looks promising. Now to make them "affordable".
  #24  
Old August 14th 19, 06:33 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Martin Gregorie[_6_]
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Default Tow plane types/mods for high density altitude glider towing

On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 09:34:59 -0700, Craig Funston wrote:

On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 7:33:57 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
That is super!

Was there any difficulty with your CAA or was the GFA authorized to
make those mods?

On 8/13/2019 2:08 PM, JS wrote:
Regarding mods, the eTug deserves mention.
A Pawnee with a 350 cubic inch Chevy LS1 running on Mogas. Early
experiments provided too steep a climb angle, so the original 4-blade
prop was adjusted to decrease the climb rate. Now it has a different
prop.
I've hooked many gliders up to eTug, yet to tow behind it.

https://www.glidingclub.org.au/membe...aircraft/etug/

These days a crate LS3 engine can be purchased for about $8000 and
produces 430HP on Mogas. Car engines require a PSRU (speed
reduction).

https://www.gmperformancemotor.com/parts/19370416.html?

gclid=Cj0KCQjwv8nqBRDGARIsAHfR9wC30A7wF3SFSrhYOBoL dkinr_7MGZMpHxignUEhA1qfW5iBSSEbHwAaAhPlEALw_wcB

Not much concern about shock cooling or leaded Avgas going away.
Jim


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Akaflieg Stuttgart just flew their concept of an optimized towplane.
Congratulations to all the students and their mentors.

https://akaflieg.hg.stuvus.uni-stutt...erstflug-fs35-

harpyie/?
fbclid=IwAR1rgq8zp1xdRFvQTqvAQGbklVeiF76CE0bKvKbdx jlFvEvgsGCyBGeZLCI

I remember a couple of specialist tow planes appearing a few years ago,
apparently to disappear without trace a bit later. One came from an
Akaflieg and was dual purpose: two seat aerobatic aircraft and tow-plane.
The other was from the Finnish Akaflieg equivalent - the PIK-27.

Are either in use as tow-planes now?

Has more than the prototype of either type been built?


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  #25  
Old August 14th 19, 07:21 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Tow plane types/mods for high density altitude glider towing

The Mü30 Schlacro from Akaflieg Munich is in use and serves as an excellent towplane. Schlacro comes from "Schlepp" (Tow) and "Acro". It will probably be around at WGC 2020 at Stendal. Currently it is working there during Idaflieg summer camp. Since it was built by the students, it unfortunately is a unique aircraft.

The fs35 is a very interesting concept indeed, combining a motorglider similar to a HK36 Super Dimona with a 155hp turbocharged aircraft diesel engine..
  #26  
Old August 14th 19, 07:55 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
AS
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Default Tow plane types/mods for high density altitude glider towing

On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 2:21:54 PM UTC-4, wrote:
The Mü30 Schlacro from Akaflieg Munich is in use and serves as an excellent towplane. Schlacro comes from "Schlepp" (Tow) and "Acro". It will probably be around at WGC 2020 at Stendal. Currently it is working there during Idaflieg summer camp. Since it was built by the students, it unfortunately is a unique aircraft.

The fs35 is a very interesting concept indeed, combining a motorglider similar to a HK36 Super Dimona with a 155hp turbocharged aircraft diesel engine.


A great concept, indeed! The turbo-charged Diesel engine should make the Hot/High condition secondary. Here is the link to the engine manufacturer's site:
http://www.continentaldiesel.com/typ....php?id=84&L=1

Uli
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  #27  
Old August 15th 19, 04:39 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
JS[_5_]
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Default Tow plane types/mods for high density altitude glider towing

On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 7:33:57 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
That is super!

Was there any difficulty with your CAA or was the GFA authorized to make
those mods?
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The original LS1-mod Pawnee, VH-CUR is EXP. Don't think they've certified one yet.
Jim
  #28  
Old August 15th 19, 05:44 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Bob Youngblood
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Default Tow plane types/mods for high density altitude glider towing

On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 9:38:43 PM UTC-4, son_of_flubber wrote:
What are your favorite aircraft types (and modifications) for glider towing in high density altitude and/or short runways?


The C-188 300 constant speed prop is a great towplane. I am already planning to make one my next project.
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Old August 15th 19, 09:35 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Tow plane types/mods for high density altitude glider towing

On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 12:44:46 PM UTC-4, Bob Youngblood wrote:
On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 9:38:43 PM UTC-4, son_of_flubber wrote:
What are your favorite aircraft types (and modifications) for glider towing in high density altitude and/or short runways?


The C-188 300 constant speed prop is a great towplane. I am already planning to make one my next project.


Don't do it if you have neighbors. Second loudest tug I've seen, behind only a 650 Agcat.
UH
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Old August 15th 19, 09:57 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)
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Default Tow plane types/mods for high density altitude glider towing

Hmmmm.....not sure if our field.....remember a short time tug that was great, but maybe 75% throttle lit up the local PoPo....
Yeah.....not many tows, but they were fun......
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