The French oil connection

Alan Minyard wrote:

On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 09:34:34 +0100, "Alex A" wrote:

Kevin Brooks wrote:
"Nemo l'ancien" wrote in message
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And the US does not have a very strange relation with oil producer
like SA?
Even when people of that country funded terrorism...

No, we don't have a relationship anything like that which France
apparently had with Saddam, as is becoming more clear with every
release of information regarding these "sweetheart deals" between
your companies and Saddam.

same source as WMD ?

Rgds
Alex

France betrayed all those that thought her a friend. WMDs may have
been an intelligence failure, but the Total/Elf deals were criminal
behavior. Your country is a shameless whore.

Al Minyard

And you are a shameful, poisonous Jew.

Grantland

"Pierre-Henri Baras" wrote in message
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"Alan Minyard" a écrit dans le message de news:
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France betrayed all those that thought her a friend. WMDs may have
been an intelligence failure, but the Total/Elf deals were criminal
behavior.

What about the juicy contracts US oil companys were about to sign with the
Taliban, during the summer before 9/11 ??? You know, the pipelines
through
Afghanistan.....

Can you point to any embargo or trade restrictions that prevented those
negotiations? No? Was there any competition from other forms for such
pipeline rights allowed? Yes? Now tell us how that compares to French
companies, and the French government, climbing into bed with Saddam, who was
under operating under an embargo, and then amazingly started talking about
relaxing or eliminating samesaid embargo. Go ahead, give it your best shot.


2 wrongs don't make 1 right, but just stop giving out moral lessons, OK?

But how do you come up with US firms negotiating a contract that was not
dependent upon relaxation of trade restrictions with the situation where
France sold its foreign policy to the highest bidder, in this case Saddam,
who was subject to embargo?


Your country is a shameless whore.

Hey; you need one to know one!

We don't need one--one France is more than enough for the rest of the world.

Brooks


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"Kevin Brooks" a écrit dans le message de
news

same source as WMD ?

Eh? Can't quite get the meaning of that fragment.

Brooks


You're not even trying...

Arva

"Alan Minyard" a écrit dans le message de
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On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 09:34:34 +0100, "Alex A"
wrote:


France betrayed all those that thought her a friend. WMDs may have
been an intelligence failure, but the Total/Elf deals were criminal
behavior. Your country is a shameless whore.

Al Minyard


What disturbs you so much? That the US were the only "major" country without
any contract (unlike Italy, Russia, the UK, China, the
Netherlands, ...) or that France was about to sign the biggest one?...

You want to talk about moral? What about the fact that on the eve of last
year's war, the US were still the biggets purchaser of the Iraki oil? What
about Libya, where so many US businessmen gather nowadays, eager to exploit
the oil and gas reserves of this country that was once (not so long ago!) on
the "axis of evil" list? What about the dozens of US (and other countries)
citizens this regime has killed?... What about the business conducted in
several Central Asia countries, far from being democracies?

You want another "oil scandal" involving Total ? Here's one : Total
exploits an oil field in Myanmar (Burma). We all know that this country's
regime is not a
model of democracy but I don't hear any American complaining about it.
Could it be because Total is associated 50/50 with a US company?...

Someone famous once said : "Let those who have never sinned throw the first
stones". I'm sorry but you don't qualify...

Arva

"Kevin Brooks" a écrit dans le message de
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But how do you come up with US firms negotiating a contract that was not
dependent upon relaxation of trade restrictions with the situation where
France sold its foreign policy to the highest bidder, in this case Saddam,
who was subject to embargo?


You really don't understand much (and know even less) if you still believe
that the oil was the French government's main motive... (though it certainly
was a concern).


We don't need one--one France is more than enough for the rest of the
world.


Accept no substitute!...


Arva

"ArVa" wrote in message
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"Kevin Brooks" a écrit dans le message de
news

same source as WMD ?

Eh? Can't quite get the meaning of that fragment.

Brooks


You're not even trying...

Let's see...we have undisputed accounts of the oil deals between Total and
Iraq/Saddam (not to mention the acknowledged oil vouchers given to that
friend of Chirac's, as the gent in question confirmed himself), versus an
allegation apprently having something to do with intel assessments regarding
WMD (which intel assessments were reportedly not being disputed at the time
by major European intel agencies, including those of France IIRC). And the
connection between the two is...?

Brooks


Arva

"ArVa" wrote in message
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"Kevin Brooks" a écrit dans le message de
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But how do you come up with US firms negotiating a contract that was not
dependent upon relaxation of trade restrictions with the situation where
France sold its foreign policy to the highest bidder, in this case
Saddam,
who was subject to embargo?


You really don't understand much (and know even less) if you still believe
that the oil was the French government's main motive... (though it
certainly
was a concern).

Let's see--lucrative (and non-competitive) oild development deal reached
between French firms and Saddam, followed by French officials voicing the
desire to relax the embargo. Cause-effect. And what other reasons were there
then existing to call for such a relaxation? Strange parallel to later
events--PRC leadership visits France, talks up buying of more French
products, French president reacts by recommending that the arms export
restrictions regarding the PRC be eliminated. Cause-effect. It looks like a
trend...

Brooks



We don't need one--one France is more than enough for the rest of the
world.


Accept no substitute!...


Arva

Alan Minyard a écrit :

On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 09:34:34 +0100, "Alex A" wrote:



Kevin Brooks wrote:


"Nemo l'ancien" wrote in message
...



And the US does not have a very strange relation with oil producer
like SA?


Even when people of that country funded terrorism...

No, we don't have a relationship anything like that which France
apparently had with Saddam, as is becoming more clear with every
release of information regarding these "sweetheart deals" between
your companies and Saddam.


same source as WMD ?

Rgds
Alex



France betrayed all those that thought her a friend. WMDs may have
been an intelligence failure, but the Total/Elf deals were criminal
behavior. Your country is a shameless whore.

Al Minyard


Et toi, un parfait et stupide intoxiqué par les vapeur sdu pétrole de
BU****E

Pierre, Vive la France... et mort aux C...


Nemo l'ancien

"Nemo l'ancien" wrote in message
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Alan Minyard a écrit :

On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 09:34:34 +0100, "Alex A"
wrote:


Kevin Brooks wrote:

"Nemo l'ancien" wrote in message
...


And the US does not have a very strange relation with oil producer
like SA?

Even when people of that country funded terrorism...

No, we don't have a relationship anything like that which France
apparently had with Saddam, as is becoming more clear with every
release of information regarding these "sweetheart deals" between
your companies and Saddam.

same source as WMD ?

Rgds
Alex


France betrayed all those that thought her a friend. WMDs may have
been an intelligence failure, but the Total/Elf deals were criminal
behavior. Your country is a shameless whore.

Al Minyard

Et toi, un parfait et stupide intoxiqué par les vapeur sdu pétrole de
BU****E

First, speak english; French is not exactly a major-demand language, and
based upon your recent national actions, it is growing less so. Secondly,
enough of the danged HTML posting--post in plain text, you ninnie.

Brooks