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Old April 15th 07, 09:51 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,us.military.army,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
Daryl Hunt
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"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
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On 15 Apr 2007 11:41:55 -0700, "Gordon"
wrote:

Mistaking an F-4 for a Scooter or a MiG 21 is like mistaking an 18-
wheeler for a Hummer. Sure, a moron could do it.

It's remarkably easy to mistake a Scooter for a MiG-21 from some
aspects. Been there, done that. Didn't shoot!


Was that an electric or a gas scooter?



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Old April 15th 07, 05:00 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,us.military.army,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
Mike[_1_]
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The F-14, F-15 MiG-29 and Su-27 series all look a LOT alike in motion
to most people. MiG-21 and the F-4 look virtually identical in
flight.

OPEN THIS FILE AT HOME, NOT AT WORK!!!
MIKE

from Secrecy News www.fas.org

VISUAL AIRCRAFT RECOGNITION (FOUO)
More than 160 U.S. and foreign military aircraft are catalogued in a
U.S. Army manual which describes their distinctive physical
characteristics in order to permit visual identification of the
aircraft in flight. The manual is nominally a restricted document,
marked "for official use only," and it has not been approved for
public release. But a copy was obtained by Secrecy News. Proper
identification of aircraft is obviously a matter of military
significance. Incorrectly identifying a friendly aircraft (such as an
F-15 Eagle) as an enemy aircraft (such as a MiG-29 Fulcrum) in wartime
"could cause fratricide," meaning the destruction of friendly
aircraft, the manual states. Conversely, incorrectly identifying an
enemy aircraft (a Su-24 Fencer) as a friendly one (such as a Tornado)
"might allow a hostile aircraft entry into, or safe passage through,
the defended area." On the other hand, mistaking one type of hostile
aircraft (a Su-17 Fitter) for another type of hostile aircraft (a
MiG-21 Fishbed) would generally have "no impact" -- except "if
friendly countries were flying some aircraft types that are normally
considered hostile." Likewise, mistaking one type of friendly aircraft
(an F-4 Phantom) for another (an A-4 Skyhawk) would normally not be a
great problem unless "a hostile country was using an aircraft type
that is normally considered friendly." The manual covers both well-
known and relatively obscure systems, but does not include classified
aircraft. Although an earlier edition of the manual was published
without access restrictions, the current edition (2006) was not
approved for public release. But as the government imposes publication
restrictions on an ever larger set of records, the control system
seems to be breaking down at the margins, permitting unauthorized
access with increasing frequency. In this case, contrary to the
restriction notice on the title page, the document does not reveal
sensitive "technical or operational information." See "Visual Aircraft
Recognition," U.S. Army Field Manual FM 3-01.80, January 2006 (413
pages in a very large 28 MB PDF file): http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm3-01-80.pdf

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Old April 15th 07, 07:41 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,us.military.army,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
Gordon[_2_]
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Mistaking an F-4 for a Scooter or a MiG 21 is like mistaking an 18-
wheeler for a Hummer. Sure, a moron could do it.


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Old April 15th 07, 08:06 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,us.military.army,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
Ed Rasimus[_1_]
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On 15 Apr 2007 11:41:55 -0700, "Gordon"
wrote:

Mistaking an F-4 for a Scooter or a MiG 21 is like mistaking an 18-
wheeler for a Hummer. Sure, a moron could do it.

It's remarkably easy to mistake a Scooter for a MiG-21 from some
aspects. Been there, done that. Didn't shoot!


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org
www.thundertales.blogspot.com
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Old April 15th 07, 08:14 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,us.military.army,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
Bill Shatzer
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Mike wrote:
The F-14, F-15 MiG-29 and Su-27 series all look a LOT alike in motion
to most people. MiG-21 and the F-4 look virtually identical in
flight.


Nah, the F-4 is the one trailing copious amounts of smoke.

Cheers,
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Old April 15th 07, 09:03 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,us.military.army,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
Tiger
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Mike wrote:

The F-14, F-15 MiG-29 and Su-27 series all look a LOT alike in motion
to most people. MiG-21 and the F-4 look virtually identical in
flight.

OPEN THIS FILE AT HOME, NOT AT WORK!!!
MIKE

from Secrecy News www.fas.org

VISUAL AIRCRAFT RECOGNITION (FOUO)
More than 160 U.S. and foreign military aircraft are catalogued in a
U.S. Army manual which describes their distinctive physical
characteristics in order to permit visual identification of the
aircraft in flight. The manual is nominally a restricted document,
marked "for official use only," and it has not been approved for
public release. But a copy was obtained by Secrecy News. Proper
identification of aircraft is obviously a matter of military
significance. Incorrectly identifying a friendly aircraft (such as an
F-15 Eagle) as an enemy aircraft (such as a MiG-29 Fulcrum) in wartime
"could cause fratricide," meaning the destruction of friendly
aircraft, the manual states. Conversely, incorrectly identifying an
enemy aircraft (a Su-24 Fencer) as a friendly one (such as a Tornado)
"might allow a hostile aircraft entry into, or safe passage through,
the defended area." On the other hand, mistaking one type of hostile
aircraft (a Su-17 Fitter) for another type of hostile aircraft (a
MiG-21 Fishbed) would generally have "no impact" -- except "if
friendly countries were flying some aircraft types that are normally
considered hostile." Likewise, mistaking one type of friendly aircraft
(an F-4 Phantom) for another (an A-4 Skyhawk) would normally not be a
great problem unless "a hostile country was using an aircraft type
that is normally considered friendly." The manual covers both well-
known and relatively obscure systems, but does not include classified
aircraft. Although an earlier edition of the manual was published
without access restrictions, the current edition (2006) was not
approved for public release. But as the government imposes publication
restrictions on an ever larger set of records, the control system
seems to be breaking down at the margins, permitting unauthorized
access with increasing frequency. In this case, contrary to the
restriction notice on the title page, the document does not reveal
sensitive "technical or operational information." See "Visual Aircraft
Recognition," U.S. Army Field Manual FM 3-01.80, January 2006 (413
pages in a very large 28 MB PDF file): http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm3-01-80.pdf



People who think they look alike need to go to Pearl Vision worse than I
do.............

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Old April 15th 07, 11:48 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,us.military.army,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
Gordon[_2_]
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On Apr 15, 12:14 pm, Bill Shatzer wrote:
Mike wrote:
The F-14, F-15 MiG-29 and Su-27 series all look a LOT alike in motion
to most people. MiG-21 and the F-4 look virtually identical in
flight.


Nah, the F-4 is the one trailing copious amounts of smoke.



But the MiG 21 is the one on fire.

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Old April 16th 07, 02:05 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,us.military.army,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
Pat Flannery
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Mike wrote:
The F-14, F-15 MiG-29 and Su-27 series all look a LOT alike in motion
to most people. MiG-21 and the F-4 look virtually identical in
flight.


The two that would have been very difficult to identify properly would
have been the MiG-21 and Su-9; they looked almost identical.

Pat
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Old April 16th 07, 02:15 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,us.military.army,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
Pat Flannery
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Gordon wrote:
Mistaking an F-4 for a Scooter or a MiG 21 is like mistaking an 18-
wheeler for a Hummer. Sure, a moron could do it.


Watch the movie "Ice Station Zebra" sometime- the MiG-21s magically
transform into F-4s as they overfly the ice station.

Pat
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Old April 16th 07, 02:40 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,us.military.army,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
Gordon[_2_]
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On Apr 15, 6:15 pm, Pat Flannery wrote:
Gordon wrote:
Mistaking an F-4 for a Scooter or a MiG 21 is like mistaking an 18-
wheeler for a Hummer. Sure, a moron could do it.


Watch the movie "Ice Station Zebra" sometime- the MiG-21s magically
transform into F-4s as they overfly the ice station.



I can do better than that. ) I have the 3' long MiG 21 model from
the movie on a shelf over my desk. They only used one, set up among
mirrors to make it appear to be a small formation of jets. Watch them
bank in the movie - that formation is almost "magically" tight...

The guy that made the movel originally is still breathing - we are
going to get him to replace the canopy which has deformed over the
years. Neat model, lots of detail, however most of it is painted on.

v/r Gordon

 




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