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On 24 Aug 2003 22:33:05 -0700, wrote:
In article , Corrie says... What's the difference? I see references to blue foam all the time - why? When people reference blue foam they're probably talking about Dow Styrofoam PI (Pipe Insulation) or BB (Buency Billet) foam that can be hot-wired. It's about 2 lb/sq ft, pretty cheap, comes in big blocks and can be laminated over with epoxy but not polyester or vinyl-ester. I have the G-III fuselage "propped" up on the supports using Styrofoam(TM) pieces. When I was working on the reinforcement rib laminations I had to lay the stippling brush down...some where....and I laid it on a piece of Styrofoam. It went right through the board in less than a minute. You're right. Vinyl ester resin and Styrofoam do not work well together. :-)) Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member) www.rogerhalstead.com N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2) |
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:53:30 GMT, Roger Halstead
wrote: :On 24 Aug 2003 22:33:05 -0700, wrote: : :In article , Corrie says... : :What's the difference? I see references to blue foam all the time - why? : :When people reference blue foam they're probably talking about Dow Styrofoam PI :(Pipe Insulation) or BB (Buency Billet) foam that can be hot-wired. It's about :2 lb/sq ft, pretty cheap, comes in big blocks and can be laminated over with :epoxy but not polyester or vinyl-ester. : :I have the G-III fuselage "propped" up on the supports using :Styrofoam(TM) pieces. When I was working on the reinforcement rib :laminations I had to lay the stippling brush down...some where....and :I laid it on a piece of Styrofoam. It went right through the board in :less than a minute. Wow. I didn't know the Gulfstream III had composite ribs. :^ |
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In article , Roger Halstead
writes: Not when they no longer have the people left who know how to repair their own propriatary systems. They may not last long enough to make them again. One big company developed some very large propritary systems. Then one day they discovered that they had let go everyone who knew how to fix and maintain them. It was to the point where oursourcing wouldn't work as it'd take many months for the outside help to even learn those systems. I know the players:-)) Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member) www.rogerhalstead.com N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2) I was let go the first of January along with all other contractors at the company I was working with. The primary system used for company operations was being entirely maintained by contractors. The only people who knew anything about the internals of the system are now gone and they don't have anybody left who knows any of it. Especially the base software (Entera) that was used as the framework for the 3-tier system. It is going to cost them 20 million to replace it and they be forced to do so since they can't maintain it any longer. REAL SMART decision to save a few bucks. Sounds like the same story but different company. Bob Reed www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site) KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress.... "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!" (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman) |
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On 28 Aug 2003 14:10:04 GMT, osite (RobertR237)
wrote: REAL SMART decision to save a few bucks. Sounds like the same story but different company. A little bit like that old TV show -" X# of people in the city of New York, and each has a story" Devide the number of publicly traded companies with more than 20 employees by half, and you're getting close to the number of stories that will be told over the next 5 years or so. You now the old expression "same S---, different pile?" The main cause of the demise of American companies (particularly manufacturing) is NOT offshore competition, it is gross mismanagement. The mismanagement makes them vulnerable to the competition. Bob Reed www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site) KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress.... "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!" (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman) |
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:54:46 GMT, clare @ snyder.on .ca wrote:
On 28 Aug 2003 14:10:04 GMT, osite (RobertR237) wrote: REAL SMART decision to save a few bucks. Sounds like the same story but different company. A little bit like that old TV show -" X# of people in the city of New York, and each has a story" Devide the number of publicly traded companies with more than 20 employees by half, and you're getting close to the number of stories that will be told over the next 5 years or so. You now the old expression "same S---, different pile?" The main cause of the demise of American companies (particularly manufacturing) is NOT offshore competition, it is gross mismanagement. The mismanagement makes them vulnerable to the competition. And much higher efficiency from the ones with management. Production is up about 10% since 1997 while jobs are down by 15%. according to the stats released by the federal reserve. However as we've seen in some instances the payback is on the way for those who took the short term gains from down sizing a bit too seriously at the expense of long term gains. Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member) www.rogerhalstead.com N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2) Bob Reed www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site) KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress.... "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!" (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman) |
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Now come on, you are failing to show proper respect for all those Harvard
Business School Grads. Bob Reed The question is... Did Harvard graduate them or let them go because it was more cost effective than teaching them? |
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In article , "Eric Miller"
writes: It is going to cost them 20 million to replace it and they be forced to do so since they can't maintain it any longer. Bob Reed But for a mere $20 million they were able to save THOUSANDS of dollars! Eric Yep but even the $20 million might end up being a lowball figure. I forgot that the company has eliminated all of the older experienced people in operations and accounting who had any understanding of how things work. Now all they have are pencil pushers who know how to input to the current system but don't understand the structure of either the system or the business. It may not matter too much though, they are selling off most of their assets as fast as possible anyway. At the rate they are going, they won't need a system of any kind in another couple of years. Bob Reed www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site) KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress.... "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!" (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman) |
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However as we've seen in some instances the payback is on the way for
those who took the short term gains from down sizing a bit too seriously at the expense of long term gains. Unfortunately, the chickens have not yet come home to roost. There was a study released this week on CEO pay at the layoff kings. Searched news.google for "CEO pay layoff" and found this from http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/busine..._ceopay26.html =======quoted news article========== ....new report from the Institute for Policy Studies and United for a Fair Economy. Their 10th annual Labor Day report finds that: Average CEO pay rose 44 percent in 2002 at the 50 firms with the most layoffs during the 2001 recession, even though CEO pay overall was up just 6 percent in Business Week's 53rd annual executive-pay survey. The typical CEO made $3.7 million last year compared with $5.1 million for layoff leaders. Boeing Co. Chairman and Chief Executive Phil Condit was paid $3.9 million in 2002, even as the airline industry suffered through the second year of the worst downturn in commercial aviation history with Boeing announcing cuts of more than 35,000 jobs since the downturn began. PC maker Hewlett-Packard had 25,700 announced layoffs in 2001 at the tech contraction's height and a 2002 pay package totaling $4.1 million for chief executive officer Carly Fiorina. They weren't the highest-paid, however. Topping the layoff list was Dennis Kozlowski, who pocketed $71 million from Tyco International in 2002 before being forced out midyear. Before his indictment on charges he evaded $1 million in sales tax on fine art purchases, Tyco and Kozlowski announced layoffs in 2001 for 11,300. Top executives pocketed an average $5.9 million compensation package in 2002 at the 30 companies with the largest deficits in pension plans -- collectively totaling $131 billion at the end of 2002, based on UBS Securities pension-underfunding tallies. Those paychecks were 59 percent higher than the average $3.7 million paid to CEOs at Business Week's 365 largest companies. General Motors, which led the problem pension list, paid $6.2 million compensation to CEO G. Richard Wagoner Jr. in 2002, based on Securities and Exchange Commission filings. GM has since covered its pension shortfall by floating $17 billion in corporate bonds, which eventually must be redeemed. ==========end quoted article============ |
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"Corrie" wrote Topping the layoff list was Dennis Kozlowski, who pocketed $71 million from Tyco International in 2002 before being forced out midyear. Before his indictment on charges he evaded $1 million in sales tax on fine art purchases, Tyco and Kozlowski announced layoffs in 2001 for 11,300. So he made close to $6,300 for each person he laid off? Amazing. Sickening, but amazing. I'd like to say that corporation that take a bottom line approach will get what they deserve. Unfortunately, corporations aren't people, and the people who are hurt are the workers, their families, and the entire economy due to cascade effects. It used to be that the pay ratio of the lowest paid worker to the highest paid member of the board was 20 to 1. Frankly, I think anything above that is criminal. Even if I were offered the 20+ level, I couldn't rationalize it or accept it with a clear conscience. I guess scruples will keep me from heading a major corporation in the forseeable future. Eric |
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