A380 unveiling, 1/18/05, Live.

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:25:17 +0800, "Nik"
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"AJC" wrote in message
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Well I don't see dozens and dozens of US carriers' 747s lined up. Do
you?

Wonder how a bussines model according to which you run one 747 from the
dessert somewhere from let's say New York to LA once or twice daily the no
frill way (perhaps with a bussines class with a little bit more space and
one dry sandwich) at rock bottom price (ie with a margin similar to what
Ryan Air does) would work out? Wonder what that would do to the market?
Would you - provided you could fill the plane - be able to beat LCC's
carriers that are using 737's on price?

Nik


You would think it would work on transcontinental flights in the US.
747s operating just one or two frequencies per day between East and
West coast city pairs at rock bottom prices.
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"AJC" wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:25:17 +0800, "Nik"

You would think it would work on transcontinental flights in the US.
747s operating just one or two frequencies per day between East and
West coast city pairs at rock bottom prices.
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It would depend on there being a constant flow of people who would want to
go from the East to the Vest (and the other way) for whom prize is what
matters most. Who could they be?

Nik

Actually I haven't seen many small aircraft and no empty flights in the
US for the past several years.

I don't know where you've been, but it's been quite a while since I've
been on a domestic flight on anything bigger than a 737 or A320. Last
week I flew ITH-PHL-ATL and back on US, and all four legs were on RJs.
Rather full RJs, but I'd think that PHL-ATL could support bigger
planes.

My working assumption is that the crew costs on RJs are so much lower
that they're willing to lose the revenue they might have gotten from
selling more seats on a bigger plane.

You would think it would work on transcontinental flights in the US.
747s operating just one or two frequencies per day between East and
West coast city pairs at rock bottom prices.

World Airways used to do that JFK-LAX. Didn't last.

If you look at the number of flights on that route, on planes ranging
from 737s and 319s to 767s, at this point you'd have to expect that
everyone else would match your fares and keep you from filling up your
plane, even if they were selling below cost. It's the airline
tradition.

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
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"Thomas Borchert" wrote:
Coming from the fascist EU that's rich!!!


From the what??? ROFL!

According to the current right-wing doublespeak in the U. S., Hitler was a
socialist because his party was called the National Socialist Party,
Hitler was a fascist, Europe is socialist, therefore Europe is fascist.

How's that for logic?

In the Spanish civil war the Republicans were the commies. Therefore all
Republicans must be commies.
Therefore the US has a commie for a President.

"John R. Levine" wrote:
World Airways used to do that JFK-LAX. Didn't last.

Something big has changed since then. In the 80s and 1990s, Frequent
Flyier loyalty was extreme. But at one point, the price difference
between the low cost carriers and the legacy carriers eroded that
loyalty, allowing people to choose their airline, instead of always
blindly buying from "their" airline.

Once you give up on FF programmes, you're willing to choose the carrier
that offers the best schedukle/plane/service/price/whatever, then a
carrier that offers a cheaper flight from new york to lax would have a
chance now, whereas it stood no chance before.

In article , nobody
wrote:


Something big has changed since then. In the 80s and 1990s, Frequent
Flyier loyalty was extreme. But at one point, the price difference
between the low cost carriers and the legacy carriers eroded that
loyalty, allowing people to choose their airline, instead of always
blindly buying from "their" airline.


I think frequent flyer loyalty was seriously eroded also when the
airlines changed over from having more or less open availability for
award travel, except for certain blackout periods that were stated in
advance, and instead began limiting the number of FF award seats on any
flight to such low levels that cashing in FF miles for award travel
became, if not nearly impossible, at least an almost always unpleasant
and unrewarding hassle.

A couple of particularly unpleasant experiences with that and my FF
loyalty went out the window.

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
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"Thomas Borchert" wrote:
Coming from the fascist EU that's rich!!!


From the what??? ROFL!

According to the current right-wing doublespeak in the U. S., Hitler was a
socialist because his party was called the National Socialist Party,
Hitler was a fascist, Europe is socialist, therefore Europe is fascist.

How's that for logic?

Economic fascism - private ownership of means of production but state
control. Also, heavy subsidies of various private corporations.

Political fascism - state control over all aspects of political and private
behavior.

Socialism - either economic fascism (Mussolini's fascism as defined by
Enrico Rocco) or communism, the state ownership and control of productive
resources.

Figure it out.

Matt,

Figure it out.


You first.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Credibility comes as much from the soundness of one's arguments and
understanding of the topic, not from a particular background or profession.

Shawn

"Vo Gon" wrote in message
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"ShawnD2112" wrote in message
k...
He may not be an expert or in the industry, but I am, and his arguments
are pretty much spot on (with the odd caveat thrown in here and there)

Great! Your opinions have some credibility then.

"Vo Gon" wrote in message
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"nobody" wrote in message
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"Frank F. Matthews" wrote:
Actually I haven't seen many small aircraft and no empty flights in
the
US for the past several years. The problems are a lack of revenue and
not a lack of passengers. Now finding passengers wanting to fly
limited
routes so as to fly a 380 that may be a problem.

You don't get it.

How the hell do you know? Do you work in the airline industry? Nope. Do
you work for an aircraft manufacturer? Nope. Do you work for an
aerospace trade journal? Nope. You're a VAX (!!) programmer. Don't
pretend to be an authority on the airline business when you are clearly
not.