PHIL BOYER: 40% OF AOPA MEMBERS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY DECREASING THEIR FLYING DUE TO FUEL PRICES

Martin Hotze wrote:
Jay Honeck schrieb:
At current prices, almost all known oil reserves in the US are viable.

but this will then won't bring the price *down*


Be kind enough to supply some documentation to support that statement
otherwise I have no recourse but to classify it as I would a fart
escaping from a cows ass.


true. you still cry for cheap oil (instead of investing in insulation,
renewable energy, etc. etc.).

Again, a blanket statement made, much as the sort of statements made bu
Ted Kennedy, or Al Gore, who, interestingly, has been consuming even
more energy in his mansion than he did last year... even after
supposedly spending thousands on solar panels, etc. etc. His home along
uses 10x the energy as an average household. Leading by example I suppose...


My father -- who worked with gas & electric utilities for 38 years --
predicted this day thirty years ago with remarkable clarity and
accuracy. He knew then that all the laws being written back in the
'70s (ironically during the "energy crisis") would one day come back
to haunt us -- and, wow, was he right!

yeah, you din't change very much over the last 30 years.


And neither have you... you are still an idiot.

You've got to ask yourselves this: At what price level do "We the
People" rise up and throw the bums out? At what price point do "We
the People" take control of our government and reassert common sense?
At what point do "We the People" start making use of our known
domestic energy resources, and say "To hell with the snail darter"?


what will "you, the people" do? cry for cheap oil? or something with
more clue.

#m

Amazing. Well we certainly won't be looking to you for any answers.

Bob Fry wrote:
"LD" == Larry Dighera writes:
LD But AOPA has a plan to
LD swell the ranks of private pilots

I wonder what that would be....a free picture of the interior of a
bizjet to anybody who requests? Maybe a signed photo of Thomas Haines
getting checked out in another jet...


Fry, will do us all a favor and crawl back into you hole? Thanks.

kontiki wrote:
Dylan Smith wrote:

Not all crude is the same, and the United States is already drilling for
quite a lot of oil. The remaining large oil fields that aren't being
exploited currently are not *cheap* oil, but expensive oil.

And oil from other countries is cheap?

Can't speak for crude, but there are large differences in the price of one
of its refined products, gasoline/petrol, as demonstrated by this table
(compiled in March, 2005):

http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lis...bal_gasprices/

Democrats reject call to lift ban on off-shore oil drilling:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080618/...h/offshore_oil

Your summary sentence failed to take into account this:
"Bush's brother, Jeb, fiercely opposed offshore drilling when he was
governor of Florida."

True enough. Both parties have proven to be inept, and are largely
controlled by corrupt special interests.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jim Logajan wrote:
kontiki wrote:
Dylan Smith wrote:

Not all crude is the same, and the United States is already drilling for
quite a lot of oil. The remaining large oil fields that aren't being
exploited currently are not *cheap* oil, but expensive oil.
And oil from other countries is cheap?

Can't speak for crude, but there are large differences in the price of one
of its refined products, gasoline/petrol, as demonstrated by this table
(compiled in March, 2005):

http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lis...bal_gasprices/

What does that have to do with my challenge? Besides...If you had
actually read your link you would know why:

"The main factor in price disparities between countries is government
policy, according to AirInc, a company that tracks the cost of living in
various places around the world. Many European nations tax gasoline
heavily, with taxes making up as much as 75 percent of the cost of a
gallon of gasoline."

Larry Dighera wrote:

Are you referring to this energy policy?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/energy/Nat...rgy-Policy.pdf

Where is the president's call for legislation creating a viable urban
transportation system?


Right where it should be.

On 2008-06-18, Jay Honeck wrote:
Not all crude is the same, and the United States is already drilling for
quite a lot of oil. The remaining large oil fields that aren't being
exploited currently are not *cheap* oil, but expensive oil.

At current prices, almost all known oil reserves in the US are viable.

But suppose you exploit every single oil reserve, the oil will *still*
be traded on the global market (because oil companies quite naturally
want to maximise profits). So tear up all environmental regulations,
exploit all the oil - and oil prices will hardly move, since it'll still
all go on the global market and global conditions won't have changed.
Gasoline will still ultimately hit $10/gallon if that's what it's going
to do.

Unless, of course, you take the socialist approach of nationalizing your
oil industry and imposing price controls, and force the oil companies to
only sell at these controlled prices into the US market. This is in
effect what you are calling for.

--
From the sunny Isle of Man.
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On 2008-06-18, Jay Honeck wrote:
That's because trucks and SUVs are more useful than itty-bitty cars.

Bottom line: SUVs can do all sorts of things that econocars cannot, while
SUVs can do everything that the econocar can do, better. With one
exception: Fuel consumption.

Most people don't live in relatively rural spots like yourself - most
live in fairly urban areas.

Some things a midsize car can do that an SUV can't:
- Go around corners without feeling like they are going to tip over
- Avoid accidents (to such an extent you're twice as likely to be killed
in a Ford Explorer than in a VW Jetta)
- Fit in urban parking garages comfortably with enough room to open the
doors fully
- Parallel park in a small space

I have a midsize car (I used to have a truck). I do not miss my F-150
one bit, my Audi is nicer to drive, uses half the fuel, is quieter, more
responsive, costs the same to insure, has less expensive consumables
(resulting in less expensive maintenance) and looks much nicer. It's
also galvanized so it doesn't rust.

In the last 5 years, I've needed something with more carrying capacity
than the Audi just once. Now consider the money saved from using half
the fuel - how much truck rental can that pay for? Much more than one
day in 5 years. The Audi can tow a glider trailer very happily, so
I don't even need a truck to do that.

Now for some people, an SUV makes sense. But not the typical urban
commuter in an office job: they just have the SUV as a fashion
statement. The people who actually *need* them on a frequent basis are a
very small minority.

You see people with SUVs around here, but typically they are blue,
covered in mud, and have 'Land Rover' stuck on them somewhere and a
piece of agricultural machinery on the towbar.

--
From the sunny Isle of Man.
Yes, the Reply-To email address is valid.

On 2008-06-19, Dylan Smith wrote:
But suppose you exploit every single oil reserve, the oil will *still*
be traded on the global market (because oil companies quite naturally
want to maximise profits). So tear up all environmental regulations,
exploit all the oil - and oil prices will hardly move, since it'll still
all go on the global market and global conditions won't have changed.
Gasoline will still ultimately hit $10/gallon if that's what it's going
to do.

You're ignoring the most basic of all market forces: supply and demand.
Supply goes up, prices go down, no matter where things are bought or sold.
It's that simple.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)

On 2008-06-19, Dylan Smith wrote:
Some things a midsize car can do that an SUV can't:
- Go around corners without feeling like they are going to tip over
- Avoid accidents (to such an extent you're twice as likely to be killed
in a Ford Explorer than in a VW Jetta)
- Fit in urban parking garages comfortably with enough room to open the
doors fully
- Parallel park in a small space

My SUV does all of these. It even gets 28 MPG on the highway (actual results
from several 1000-mile-plus trips, fully loaded). No, it's not an Explorer
(no way in hell will I ever own another product of the Ford Motor Company),
or a TrailBlazer, much less a Suburban. Don't tar all SUVs with the same
brush.

Now for some people, an SUV makes sense. But not the typical urban
commuter in an office job: they just have the SUV as a fashion
statement. The people who actually *need* them on a frequent basis are a
very small minority.

Yes, and? In our system, nobody is entitled to an opinion on whether someone
else needs something. If you think you need it, you buy iy. It's that
simple.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)