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Old July 18th 03, 06:56 PM
Capt. Doug
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Toks Desalu wrote in message Can you believe this?
I studied regulation back in college and don't remember any specific
regulation that said the hand must be at control at all time. Anybody can
point it out?
Why they really want to make us look bad?


The airplane was a DHC-6 Twin Otter bringing tourists from Walker's Cay
Resort (the same as the cable TV fishing show) to Ft. Lauderdale. How
embarrassing! To CNN's credit, they included Walker's statement which points
out that the aircraft was under control of the First Officer during the
captain's nap.

D.


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Old July 18th 03, 06:56 PM
Bob Gardner
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It was a Part 135 charter with a copilot, from what I read. There is no
regulation that says flat out "don't fall asleep," but there are plenty of
catch-all regulations that provide traps for the unwary.

Why did they do it? To sell a story to CNN and make a few bucks.

Bob Gardner

"Toks Desalu" wrote in message
news:3f182685@shknews01...
Guys!
You could not believe what I saw on CNN before I left for work. I

missed
the beginning of the segment, but I understood the whole story. A

passenger
was fliming during the flight. That film was showing on CNN. The pilot got
caught sleeping while flying. The pilot did not wear the headset. I

noticed
that he was wearing a ear plug. You could see his head tilt backward with
his left eye closed. The passenger claimed that he was filming him

sleeping
for about one hour. At the end of segment, the CNN went to FAA for

comments
and the FAA claimed that it was against the regulation. FAA claimed that

the
pilot must be awake and his must be on the control at all the time. There

is
no way to tell what kind of aircraft but, it was pretty clear that it is
under general aviation, a high wing with mulit-engine(propeller) aircraft.
Also, because of pilot's uniform, and other passengers, it indicated that

it
is under part 121 operation. But, I could be wrong. I have no idea where

the
flight was but the reporter said he/she was reporting from West Palm

Beach,
Florida.
Here my questions:
Can you believe this?
I studied regulation back in college and don't remember any specific
regulation that said the hand must be at control at all time. Anybody can
point it out?
Why they really want to make us look bad?
Feel free to comment on this.

Toks
PP_ASEL




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Old July 18th 03, 07:05 PM
Ernest Christley
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Toks Desalu wrote:
Can you believe this?


In a word, yes.

Remember the Peter Principle. Why should the ranks of the pilot corps be
immune from having bums? Any profession you care to name will have
their share of people who are just along for the ride. It just happens
that in this case, the bum got caught and will go back to his propper
level in society. If he works hard and doesn't burn the burgers, he may
actually make shift manager some day.

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Old July 18th 03, 07:07 PM
John Harlow
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Here my questions:
Can you believe this?


Someone falling asleep flying? Sure, I can believe it. As someone once said,
"flying is long periods of sheer boredom punctuated by moments of sheer
terror".

I studied regulation back in college and don't remember any specific
regulation that said the hand must be at control at all time. Anybody can
point it out?


Hand? How about those eyelids getting in the way of a pilot's ability to
"see and avoid" as required by 91.113.

Why they really want to make us look bad?


"They" make "us" look bad?? How did that make you in particular look bad?

I'd say sleeping, drunk and disoriented pilots are all doing their fair
share of making us "look bad".




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Old July 18th 03, 07:56 PM
Toks Desalu
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Default Reported by CNN this morning!!!!!

Guys!
You could not believe what I saw on CNN before I left for work. I missed
the beginning of the segment, but I understood the whole story. A passenger
was fliming during the flight. That film was showing on CNN. The pilot got
caught sleeping while flying. The pilot did not wear the headset. I noticed
that he was wearing a ear plug. You could see his head tilt backward with
his left eye closed. The passenger claimed that he was filming him sleeping
for about one hour. At the end of segment, the CNN went to FAA for comments
and the FAA claimed that it was against the regulation. FAA claimed that the
pilot must be awake and his must be on the control at all the time. There is
no way to tell what kind of aircraft but, it was pretty clear that it is
under general aviation, a high wing with mulit-engine(propeller) aircraft.
Also, because of pilot's uniform, and other passengers, it indicated that it
is under part 121 operation. But, I could be wrong. I have no idea where the
flight was but the reporter said he/she was reporting from West Palm Beach,
Florida.
Here my questions:
Can you believe this?
I studied regulation back in college and don't remember any specific
regulation that said the hand must be at control at all time. Anybody can
point it out?
Why they really want to make us look bad?
Feel free to comment on this.

Toks
PP_ASEL


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Old July 18th 03, 09:18 PM
bob zee
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"Ernest Christley" wrote in message
. com...
It just happens
that in this case, the bum got caught and will go back to his propper
level in society. If he works hard and doesn't burn the burgers, he may
actually make shift manager some day.


i second this one!!! well put!

--
bob z.
p.s. summer breeze... makes me feel fine...

"people with less brain power than you are doing more difficult things
everyday"©


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Old July 18th 03, 09:39 PM
Ricky Robbins
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On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 11:56:07 -0700, "Toks Desalu"
wrote:

Guys!
You could not believe what I saw on CNN before I left for work. I missed
the beginning of the segment, but I understood the whole story.


Watched in on Fox yesterday or the day before. I was amazed as well.
He was snoozing along pretty good; shame they had to wake him up to
land. He was fired, by the way, and the FAA was investigating. Fox
told the name of the airline, but I forget. I don't think it was a
major.

Ricky


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Old July 18th 03, 09:53 PM
G.R. Patterson III
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John Harlow wrote:

Someone falling asleep flying? Sure, I can believe it. As someone once said,
"flying is long periods of sheer boredom punctuated by moments of sheer
terror".


As far as I know, the original version of this comes from "Fate is the Hunter",
by Ernest Gann. He was referring to piloting commercial airliners in the late
thirties.

George Patterson
The optimist feels that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The
pessimist is afraid that he's correct.
James Branch Cavel
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Old July 18th 03, 10:43 PM
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"Harry Gordon" wrote
I too saw the film and he was sitting in the left seat
which means he is the pilot-in-charge.


Harry...perhaps you meant pilot-in-command? No such thing
as pilot-in-charge in FAA-Land.
I have hundreds of hours as pilot-in-command of Boeing-707s
occupying the right-hand seat.

Bob Moore
ATP CFI
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Old July 19th 03, 03:04 AM
Drew Hamilton
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Harry Gordon wrote:
Toks, I'm just a student pilot right now, [...]
he was sitting in the left seat which means he is the pilot-in-charge. It


As you're a student pilot, I'm sure that you've spent several hours in the
left seat of an aircraft without being the pilot-in-command.

- awh

 




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