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Reasons to talk to ATC...
An interesting article in the January 2004 AOPA FLIGHT TRAINING
magazine, Checkride column by Dave Wilkerson. An article in a recent edition of THE FEDERAL AIR SURGEON'S MEDICAL BULLETIN (http://www2.faa.gov/avr/aam/fasb597/31.htm) relates the following: The average time between an aircraft's last know position (LKP) and rescue varies widely based on the type of flight plan filed. When an IFR flight plan is in use, an average of 13 hours and 6 minutes elapse from the LKP to rescue. When a VFR flight plan is in use, an average of 37 hours and 18 minutes elapse from LKP to rescue. When no flight plan is in use, an average of 42 hours and 24 minutes elapse from LKP to rescue. This is incidental information. The topic of discussion in the article was survival equipment and questions regarding it on the Private Pilot PTS and the question, "What does the examiner want to hear?" The answer given, at least the survival gear outlined at the end of Chapter 12 of the AIRPLANE FLYING HANDBOOK. (first aid kit, flashlight, water, knife) |
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When a VFR flight plan is in use, an average of 37 hours and 18 minutes elapse from LKP to rescue. When no flight plan is in use, an average of 42 hours and 24 minutes elapse from LKP to rescue. This is not a very strong motivation to file a flight plan! all the best -- Dan Ford email: -- put Cubdriver in subject line! see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com |
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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
This is not a very strong motivation to file a flight plan! ....but it is strong motivation to receive flight following. -- John T http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415 ____________________ |
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John T wrote:
This is not a very strong motivation to file a flight plan! ...but it is strong motivation to receive flight following. There were no stats relevant to flight following given... -Andrew -- Andrew Stanley-Jones | "It's kind of fun to do the impossible." EE, LongEz N87KJ | -- Walt Disney |
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"ASJ" wrote in message
There were no stats relevant to flight following given... No, but the rationale is that if you're already on frequency with flight following, you will be closer to the IFR stats than the VFR flight plan stats. -- John T http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415 ____________________ |
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John T wrote:
No, but the rationale is that if you're already on frequency with flight following, you will be closer to the IFR stats than the VFR flight plan stats. Perhaps. What does ATC upon losing RADAR contact with an IFR? What about when it loses RADAR contact with a VFR getting advisories? I don't know the answers, so I'm hoping one of our resident controllers pipes up. But it is at least possible that a lost IFR contact gets a lot more attention. Of course, if the pilot manages to squeeze out a "mayday", you're right. But I don't know how often this is the case, or how often it is the case where a pilot cannot manage to call for help on guard. BTW, why don't radios have a button to press to get guard immediately, akin to NRST on a GPS? I seem to recall that some CB radios had those, Back When. Curiously... Andrew |
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Cub Driver wrote: When a VFR flight plan is in use, an average of 37 hours and 18 minutes elapse from LKP to rescue. When no flight plan is in use, an average of 42 hours and 24 minutes elapse from LKP to rescue. This is not a very strong motivation to file a flight plan! Well, keep in mind that those are averages. Since every once in a while you read about someone who isn't found for six months, and every time it seems to be someone who didn't file a flight plan at all, I think there's some incentive. I'd also like to know how many in each category are never found. George Patterson This marriage is off to a shaky start. The groom just asked the band to play "Your cheatin' heart", and the bride just requested "Don't come home a'drinkin' with lovin' on your mind". |
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G.R. Patterson III wrote:
Cub Driver wrote: When a VFR flight plan is in use, an average of 37 hours and 18 minutes elapse from LKP to rescue. When no flight plan is in use, an average of 42 hours and 24 minutes elapse from LKP to rescue. This is not a very strong motivation to file a flight plan! Well, keep in mind that those are averages. Since every once in a while you read about someone who isn't found for six months, and every time it seems to be someone who didn't file a flight plan at all, I think there's some incentive. I'd also like to know how many in each category are never found. George Patterson This marriage is off to a shaky start. The groom just asked the band to play "Your cheatin' heart", and the bride just requested "Don't come home a'drinkin' with lovin' on your mind". Well, and I would guess it is also averaged for the whole country. I think they would find you much faster when busting the Washington DC ADIZ due to an emergency than when impacting the ground in the desert out west. They may find you fast in White Sands, but more so because they blasted a missile through your wings and tracked it (well you shouldn't be there anyway) . Chris PP-ASEL Student Glider Pilot New Mexico |
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than when impacting the ground in the desert out west. Or the piney woods here in New Hampshire. (How many years did it take to find that biz jet that crashed while figuring to land at Lebanon NH? Three? Four?) all the best -- Dan Ford email: (put Cubdriver in subject line) The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com The Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com Viva Bush! www.vivabush.org |
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On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:08:43 -0500, Cub Driver
wrote: than when impacting the ground in the desert out west. Or the piney woods here in New Hampshire. (How many years did it take to find that biz jet that crashed while figuring to land at Lebanon NH? Three? Four?) all the best -- Dan Ford email: (put Cubdriver in subject line) The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com The Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com Viva Bush! www.vivabush.org Three, and the guy who found it wasn't looking for it. I find it difficult to understand how they could have missed it all those years because it was almost directly under the IFR approach to Lebanon. Right where you'd expect it to be if they were making the approach and misjudged their location and descended too early. Hit rising terrain and disappeared into a jungle of broken trees. The problem was that the previous winter we had a horrendous ice storm, the likes of which you would never see in a lifetime of living up here. Three or four inches of ice developed on all trees above a certain altitude. This snapped trees in half and created a landscape that hasn't been seen since WWI in many areas. It was into one of these areas that the hapless Learjet was lost. Three years later a forester discovered it by literally walking into it when surveying for logging for the land owners. It had a cockpit voice recorder and the pilot's voices were still on it. They did NOT, however, have an ELT and I understand that now light jets are being required to install them. I also understand that this Learjet crash is the reason they are now being required. Corky Scott |
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