Reported by CNN this morning!!!!!

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"Big John" wrote in message
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Are we into apples and oranges?

Yes, I believe you are.

Boy, aren't you Mr. Charming.

[PLONK]

Roger Halstead wrote
The pilot can not be on the controls when the copilot is
operating as PIC.

This would have been a lot more correct if Roger had said
"when the copilot is flying the airplane". The PIC is the
PIC period.
Often, the PIC will perform the duties of a copilot and the
SIC will perform the duties of a pilot. More recent airline
terminology is "pilot flying" and "pilot not flying".

Bob Moore

Russell Kent wrote:

pac plyer wrote:

Take a nice nap on the way to Oshgosh! Just make sure your rated co-pilot doesn't do it the same time you do!
(sorry, your wife or dog do not qualify.) ;-)

Uh, *some* wives do: Margy Natalie, Sydney Hoeltzli, Tina Marie (ok, so technically she isn't married...). And
some husbands do not. And the spelling is "Oshkosh". :-)

Russell Kent

Nancy would when I was FP, but I couldn't when she was FP.

Warren

Mark Hickey wrote in message . ..
Dave S wrote:

Maybe NOW the feds can push through some MEANINGFUL crew rest and duty
time limitations. Whats scary is riding in the back in a 135 op and
looking up to find BOTH of them guys nodding off... its happened more
than once.

Back in '72 I flew Aeroflot across the Atlantic and was shocked to see
the stewardess carrying glasses of cognac to the cabin (and later
returning with the empties). Oh well, we made it.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame

If that bothers ya, don't fly Air France either. Even though they
flew in U.S. airspace, the frogs were notorious for having a miniature
wine with their trans-Atlantic meals. (but that was before random
booze testing; not sure if that still goes on, unless they perform
their own testing ;-))

pac "sixpack" plyer

Curious Question wrote in message ...
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What do you think will happen to the co-pilot for allowing this sort
of public behaviour by the captain and doing nothing to wake him up and
stop it.

Nothing. Some sharp words and an easy line-check. He's not PIC.

pacplyer

Peter

I understand my apples but not your oranges.

Can you explain using English 101 for an apparently stupid individual.

Big John


On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 23:28:34 -0700, "Peter Duniho"
wrote:

"Big John" wrote in message
.. .
Are we into apples and oranges?

Yes, I believe you are.

In article ,
BRUCE FRANK wrote:
I thought there actually was a regulation in which pilots, at least on some
long flights, were allowed to nap with the copilot in control. I am
surprised that anyone thinks this a big deal particularly in this day when
there are public service ads that advocate power naps for drivers to stay
sharp. Since a plane cannot pull into a road side rest area, turn it over to
the copilot and catch 40 winks! Is the copilot not qualified to fly the
plane?

On some _really_ long over-water commercial flights, they carry a complete
relief cockpit crew.

Do you think CNN wold send out a camera crew for my first flight?

On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 12:15:02 GMT, Robert Moore
wrote:

Roger Halstead wrote
The pilot can not be on the controls when the copilot is
operating as PIC.

This would have been a lot more correct if Roger had said
"when the copilot is flying the airplane". The PIC is the
PIC period.

I got to thinking about that right after hitting the send key. :-))

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)
Often, the PIC will perform the duties of a copilot and the
SIC will perform the duties of a pilot. More recent airline
terminology is "pilot flying" and "pilot not flying".

Bob Moore

"Robert Bonomi" bonomi@c-ns. wrote in message
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In article ,

On some _really_ long over-water commercial flights, they carry a complete
relief cockpit crew.


I worked for Saudia, they carried a crew of five on their non-stop flights
to and from the US, which included one or more domestic legs in the US and
Arabia. I think the crewing was three pilots and two engineers. In many
cases, one of the engineers was a pilot, as well.