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My point exactly, actually . . . maybe I was being way too subtle.
Or "too clever by half." Lately, the anonymous barrage crossposting crap has gotten even worse than normal. Sorry if my thread about off-topic posting was, well, off topic. Steve "Dave Kearton" wrote in message ... "Leslie Swartz" wrote in message ... | Hey Gang: | | So with all of the recent anonymous smear campaigns- unsubstantiated, | "howler" type accusations- you know, the ones from anonymous posters with | all of the ~~~ symbols etc. . . . | | . . . does anyone want to take up a rational, fact based discussion of the | premise that "both sides do it" (use "Dirty Tricks;" e.g., lie, smear, use | proxies, mistrepresent, cheat on election/campaign laws, etc.)? | | There are objective, "scientific" methods to determine to what extent each | political party uses so-called "dirty tricks" in their campaigns. | | Anyone want to discuss which side relies more heavily on dirty tricks and | to what extent? | | -- | ********************************* | Steve & Leslie Swartz | Abolish the Police State | and | the Welfare State | VOTE LIBERTARIAN! | ******************************** | | Leslie, unless one or both sides start using military aircraft - it really is irrelevant for this newsgroup. In any case, US campaign politics becomes less and interesting the further you are away from the US. Cheers Dave Kearton |
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vincent p. norris wrote:
Best I noticed "the *one* poster" who was/is fond of tildes. I've applied a "rule" to all messages starting thusly. Can I do that, using Agent? It complains about a syntax error. Dan, do you suppose that might be because there's no such word as "thusly"? vince norris Vince, the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary thinks there is... -- -Gord. |
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In article , Cub Driver
writes My bet is that we are going to see the dirtiest, nastiest election campaign in the post-war period. You evidently haven't followed many American elections. This one, so far, is notable mostly for its blandness. I'd rather not have to follow any. Other countries' elections are even more boring than one's own, especially when fought in a newsgroup. all the best -- Dan Ford email: (requires authentication) see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com -- Peter Ying tong iddle-i po! |
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Vince, the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary thinks there is...
Interesting, Gord. My M-W College Edition (hard copy) does not. Of course, "ordinary" dictionaries are descriptive, not prescriptive. They report what people say and write, not what they should say and write; and different editors have different standards of how often a misuse must appear before it goes into the dictionary. "Thusly" does appear with some frequency. "Usage dictionaries"and "writers' guides" report what recognized authorities agree are correct and incorrect usages. Most authorities seem to consider "thusly" poor usage. For example, the _Prentice Hall Reference Guide to Grammar and Usage_ (1991) says, on p. 327, "Thusly: This is an incorrect substitute for thus." Bergen and Cornelia Evans say, in _A Dictionary of Modern American Usage_, p. 512, "Thusly seems to have originated in the Boston _Journal_ in1889. Whether it was the product of illiteracy or exuberance is not known, but it is hard to see what purpose it serves." Wilson Follet's discussion of the problem of adding "ly" to irregular adverbs runs from page 306 to 308 in _Modern American Usage_. In essence, he says that people "feel" that an adverb must end in "ly" and thus (!) add those letters where they do not belong. (Although we do not very often encounter the phrase "run fastly," despite that fact that some people "run slowly.") The _American Heritage_ online says: ADVERB: Usage Problem Thus. USAGE NOTE: Thusly was introduced in the 19th century as an alternative to thus in sentences such as Hold it thus or He put it thus. It appears to have first been used by humorists, who may have been echoing the speech of poorly educated people straining to sound stylish. The word has subsequently gained some currency in educated usage, but it is still often regarded as incorrect. A large majority of the Usage Panel found it unacceptable in an earlier survey. In formal writing thus can still be used as in the examples above; in other styles this way, like this, and other such expressions are more natural. Hope you'll forgive the long-winded response. vince norris |
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Peter Stickney wrote:
In article , Cub Driver writes: My bet is that we are going to see the dirtiest, nastiest election campaign in the post-war period. You evidently haven't followed many American elections. This one, so far, is notable mostly for its blandness. Actually, most of teh Presidential Campaigns of the 20th Century, and leter, have been, on the whole, rather on the dull side. If we were to go back to the 19th Century... "Ma, Ma, Where's my Pa?" "Gone to the White House! Haw! Haw! Haw!" A Harrison campaign slogan used against Grover Cleveland, when it was discovered that he had supported a child born out of wedlock. It rather backfired, though. Rather than duck the issue, Clevelan scknowledged the action, pointed out that out of the 4 or 5 likely candidates for Paternity in this case, (Every generation thinks that they were the ones to discover sex, or at least improve on it) he was in the best position to provide support, and cheerfully did so. Instead of being covered in mud, he came across as a man of honor who was willing to deal with teh consequences of his actions. Then there was the Douglas/Lincoln election of 1860... We all know what a lovefest that turned out to be, American elections of the 1800's would put current doings to shame! Probably some of the most bitter were the Adams-Jefferson and JQ Adams-Jackson contests. Absolute raw, fabricated, viciousness! Many of the elections featured backroom deal-making that would make Florida 2000 look angelic. But certainly compared with typical 20th century electioneering, the current contest is going to be a very bitter one, and given the increasing polarity between Left and Right, I'd expect the trend to continue in future contests. SMH |
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But there have been a few rather dubious anti-Kerry postings as well on this newsgroup. Far fewer, I admit that, and less trollish. That may be because trolls know that most of the readership here is not easily provoked by anti-Kerry statements... And because Kerry is most remarkable for his blandness, while Bush provokes violent feelings pro or contra. Yes, all very true. (But don't underestimate Kerry's abiility to stir up anger! For example, check out http://www.usvetdsp.com/jf_kerry.htm all the best -- Dan Ford email: -- put Cubdriver in subject line! see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com |
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vincent p. norris wrote:
Hope you'll forgive the long-winded response. vince norris Of course Vince, I appreciate the info sir. -- -Gord. |
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According to the OED, "thusly" is colloquial term for "thus" dating to the 19th century. Actually, I think it's a mistake made by elegant Victorians trying to pretty up the adverb. It's not shown as a separate word. Webster's Collegiate of course regards it as word without any apologies. American lexicographers gave up standards at about the same time American universities did. To do otherwise would be to enforce the the Male Gaze, or the Canon, or sumpin. all the best -- Dan Ford email: -- put Cubdriver in subject line! see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com |
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According to the OED, "thusly" is colloquial term for "thus" dating to
the 19th century. Actually, I think it's a mistake made by elegant Victorians trying to pretty up the adverb. I think so too, Dan. Some folks think a longer word is more elegant and sounds more intelligent than a short word--although the opposite is true. The author of one of my books on writing calls that "the lure of the additional syllable." So we constantly hear "at this point in time" instead of "now," and "at that point in time" instead of "then." My favorite is "individual." We hear it constantly, from the mouths of virtually everyone on television. Bergen and Cornelia Evans, in the book I cited, say that when Dickens wanted to make a character in one of his novels appear pompous and ridiculous, he had him use the word "individual" instead of the correct word, "person." But many of his readers didn't get the joke, and adopted the new, longer, more elegant word. We see the results today vince norris |
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Cub Driver wrote:
According to the OED, "thusly" is colloquial term for "thus" dating to the 19th century. Actually, I think it's a mistake made by elegant Victorians trying to pretty up the adverb. It's not shown as a separate word. Webster's Collegiate of course regards it as word without any apologies. American lexicographers gave up standards at about the same time American universities did. To do otherwise would be to enforce the the Male Gaze, or the Canon, or sumpin. all the best -- Dan Ford Thanks Dan... -- -Gord. |
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