An Officer.......

On 26 Feb 2004 00:29:58 GMT, (ArtKramr) disturbed the
phosphur particles on my screen with the following:

I dont think you had the stuff to make it on our crew.

The older you get , the better you were.

"ArtKramr" wrote


He came back later with 4 bombs to gsve me a choice. I chose one. He
loaded
and that was the end of the story. We ;flew the mission. The hits were
good.
Moral of the story?. Take no **** from any one ever. When you know your
job,
demand that it be carried out to the letter. NOW.

He straightened out the bent one vane, and brought you 3 new bombs. You
couldn't tell the difference.

Pete

Pete wrote:

"ArtKramr" wrote


He came back later with 4 bombs to gsve me a choice. I chose one. He
loaded
and that was the end of the story. We ;flew the mission. The hits were
good.
Moral of the story?. Take no **** from any one ever. When you know your
job,
demand that it be carried out to the letter. NOW.

He straightened out the bent one vane, and brought you 3 new bombs. You
couldn't tell the difference.

Pete


He probably did, and then they had a good laugh over your inability to
notice it.

Dave

Subject: An Officer.......
From: "Pete"
Date: 2/25/04 7:30 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


"ArtKramr" wrote


He came back later with 4 bombs to gsve me a choice. I chose one. He
loaded
and that was the end of the story. We ;flew the mission. The hits were
good.
Moral of the story?. Take no **** from any one ever. When you know your
job,
demand that it be carried out to the letter. NOW.

He straightened out the bent one vane, and brought you 3 new bombs. You
couldn't tell the difference.

Pete



Not a chance in hell I guess you have no idea what it takes to get that job
done. do you?.



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

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Britannia ruled the waves for how long? Quite some time.
Kind of hard to make the case they do today, is it because
they forgot the Press-Gangs and flogging?

In very large part: Money. Every since Henry VIII, if not earlier,
British governments simply spent more on their fleet than anyone
else. Press-gangs were the sorry consequence of the need to keep
that large fleet manned, but other nations used similar means.

One can drive strict discipline too far, of course. I have long been
wondering whether the cautious, slow action of British armies
during WWII, which was so often criticised by the Germans
and the Americans alike, and is usually blamed on the leadership
of Montgomery, wasn't in large part the fault of the NCOs -- between
July 1940 and June 1944 these perhaps got too much opportunity to
drill every sense of initiative out of their soldiers. That may also
explain why the less-disciplined Australian troops were valued
so highly by Commonwealth commanders.


This is a odd reading of the situation

The NCO's in the British army fighting around Caen
were for the most part extremely experienced by that
stage of the war.My father was one of them having
been in the army since 1938 and fought with the BEF
in France then got shipped to North Africa. In the
western desert they fought alongside the Australians.

The problem around Caen was simply that they were
pinning down 80% of the Panzer divisions available
in Normandy and that the Germans had plenty
of time to dig in. When you have to advance across
pre-surveyed killing fields covered by 88mm AT
guns , machine guns and artillery progress tends to be slow.
Throw in the bocage and take way room for manoeveur
and you end with a nasty battle of attrition.

Once the breakout was made British and Canadian troops
advanced just as quickly as anyone else. Few orders were
given during this phase and units down to company level
were expected to act on their own initiative to exploit
the situation. As my father recalled it they were given only
general information regarding the objective and simply kept
pushing on until they ran beyond their supply lines around
Antwerp.

Last but not least one of the reasons Montgomery was
like by his troops was that he made a point of letting
them know what the broad plan was and expected
junior officers and NCO's to use their own initiative.

Keith

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: An Officer.......
From: "Pete"

He straightened out the bent one vane, and brought you 3 new bombs. You
couldn't tell the difference.

Pete



Not a chance in hell I guess you have no idea what it takes to get that
job
done. do you?.

No, I guess not. 16 yrs in as an armament specialst (4 yrs as an
instructor/evaluator of such) conveys zero knowledge about fuzes, vanes,
fins, bombs, and how easy they are to bend and unbend....

Nope....I never touched one.

Pete

Pete wrote in reply to Art's:
Not a chance in hell I guess you have no idea what it takes to get that
job
done. do you?.

No, I guess not. 16 yrs in as an armament specialst (4 yrs as an
instructor/evaluator of such) conveys zero knowledge about fuzes, vanes,
fins, bombs, and how easy they are to bend and unbend....

Nope....I never touched one.

Jeez Pete! You are over qualified to comment on Art's challenge of your
qualifications. Your training didn't take place during WWII and you should know
by now that WWII supercedes all other information.

Rick

Subject: An Officer.......
From: "Pete"
Date: 2/26/04 9:47 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: An Officer.......
From: "Pete"

He straightened out the bent one vane, and brought you 3 new bombs. You
couldn't tell the difference.

Pete



Not a chance in hell I guess you have no idea what it takes to get that
job
done. do you?.

No, I guess not. 16 yrs in as an armament specialst (4 yrs as an
instructor/evaluator of such) conveys zero knowledge about fuzes, vanes,
fins, bombs, and how easy they are to bend and unbend....

Nope....I never touched one.

Pete



Bend it back in a matter of minutes so there was no tracxe that it had ever
been ben?t. Pure bull****.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: An Officer.......
From: "Pete"
Date: 2/26/04 9:47 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: An Officer.......
From: "Pete"

He straightened out the bent one vane, and brought you 3 new bombs.
You
couldn't tell the difference.

Pete



Not a chance in hell I guess you have no idea what it takes to get that
job
done. do you?.

No, I guess not. 16 yrs in as an armament specialst (4 yrs as an
instructor/evaluator of such) conveys zero knowledge about fuzes, vanes,
fins, bombs, and how easy they are to bend and unbend....

Nope....I never touched one.

Pete



Bend it back in a matter of minutes so there was no tracxe that it had
ever
been ben?t. Pure bull****.

....he says, ignoring the fact that he just got bitchslapped over calling the
credentials of someone who obviously has a heck of a lot more experience
with the subject at hand than he does.

Brooks



Arthur Kramer

Bull****.

Your irrelevant "example" was just plain silly.

Sometimes it's better to just let a loser ramble; it's more efficient, and
the cost of retraining him is way above the benefit.

Steve Swartz




"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: An Officer.......
From: "D. Strang"
Date: 2/24/04 10:29 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: fhX_b.5649$m4.4917@okepread03

"ArtKramr" wrote

Want some more examples?

No. I vote we let this thread die in peace...


The better part of valor


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer