quick question -

square... outside the tower?
that must be a euro thing..

It is an ICAO thing, I believe. These:

http://tinyurl.com/6knnaw

are the German regulations on marking aerodromes with VFR traffic, and they
claim to be in accordance with ICAO annex 14, volume I. The landing-T is
shown on page 3.

and what if there is no tower?

There is a signal field between the operations building and the runway, even
if there is no tower.

Kai Rode wrote in
:

square... outside the tower?
that must be a euro thing..

It is an ICAO thing, I believe. These:

http://tinyurl.com/6knnaw

are the German regulations on marking aerodromes with VFR traffic, and
they claim to be in accordance with ICAO annex 14, volume I. The
landing-T is shown on page 3.

and what if there is no tower?

There is a signal field between the operations building and the
runway, even if there is no tower.


So the airport MUST have an operations building?

WOW!

Kai Rode wrote in
:

There is a signal field between the operations building and the
runway, even if there is no tower.


So the airport MUST have an operations building?

Yes it does. Even if it's just a beach chair as at this airfield:

http://tinyurl.com/5m4js4

http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...20050822072716


That's what the regulations say..I didn't write them.

Another quick question - I heard an ATC in B airspace refer to an
aircraft as being "in the penalty box" - is this a holding area for
aircraft that aren't cleared to depart or who are waiting for an
aircraft to clear their gate?

Thanks in advance -

-B

Sandman wrote
Another quick question - I heard an ATC in B airspace refer to an
aircraft as being "in the penalty box" - is this a holding area for
aircraft that aren't cleared to depart or who are waiting for an
aircraft to clear their gate?

At Chicago's O'hare (ORD), waiting for a gate.

Bob Moore
PanAm (retired)

On 2008-07-15, Sandman wrote:

Another quick question - I heard an ATC in B airspace refer to an
aircraft as being "in the penalty box" - is this a holding area for
aircraft that aren't cleared to depart or who are waiting for an
aircraft to clear their gate?

Thanks in advance -

It doesn't exist. Just a slang term for a controller who sends you to
the back of the line when you **** them off or mess up their sequencing.


Morris

On Jul 15, 4:19 pm, Robert Moore wrote:
Sandman wrote

Another quick question - I heard an ATC in B airspace refer to an
aircraft as being "in the penalty box" - is this a holding area for
aircraft that aren't cleared to depart or who are waiting for an
aircraft to clear their gate?

At Chicago's O'hare (ORD), waiting for a gate.

Bob Moore
PanAm (retired)

If I remember correctly, there's a a parking area on the tarmac that
is labeled "Penalty Box". I thought airplanes that violated a
controller's directive were sent there. Was it just a parking area
waiting for a gate to clear?

On Jul 15, 2:34 pm, Clark wrote:

You really mean sans-radio now don't you, sport.

Not being American no I don't mean that

Do they still teach that ?

Still need to learn it now do you? Go pay the instructor and get the help
you need...

My question was and still is
Do they still teach pilots how to fly nonaudio circuits ?
I use
d to fly DH82s and PA18s in the 60s, aircraft not known for their
copious radio equipment.

wrote:

If I remember correctly, there's a a parking area on the tarmac that
is labeled "Penalty Box". I thought airplanes that violated a
controller's directive were sent there. Was it just a parking area
waiting for a gate to clear?

As far as I know, the PB is at any airport, and is just a euphemism for
wherever you get to sit and wait for many reasons. You could be waiting
for a clearance, a gate, etc... but you can't wait on the taxi way, or
at the gate, if outbound.

Anything with no place to be gets to sit there, out of the way, in the
Penalty Box.

Kai Rode wrote in
:

Kai Rode wrote in
m:

There is a signal field between the operations building and the
runway, even if there is no tower.


So the airport MUST have an operations building?

Yes it does. Even if it's just a beach chair as at this airfield:

http://tinyurl.com/5m4js4

http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...Fehmarn-Neujel
lingsdorf.jpg&filetimestamp=20050822072716


That's what the regulations say..I didn't write them.

Intersting. Does someone have to be at the "operations building" or, in
this case, in the lawn chair?

I guess the brothel just before the start of RWY 18 at Lida Junction, NV
(0L4) is an operations building by regulation!

Would the hangar at Jackass Aeropark in Lathrop Wells, NV (U75) also count
as an operations building? Or does the general store, gas station, and
brothel, all about 1 mile away, constitute the operations building?