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I have never seen the designated "signal square" on any US airfield.. even
US ICAO approved airfields.. http://www.faa.gov/ATPubs/AIM/AIM_Basic_2-14-08.pdf do a word search on "segmented circle" B "Kai Rode" wrote in message ... square... outside the tower? that must be a euro thing.. It is an ICAO thing, I believe. These: http://tinyurl.com/6knnaw are the German regulations on marking aerodromes with VFR traffic, and they claim to be in accordance with ICAO annex 14, volume I. The landing-T is shown on page 3. and what if there is no tower? There is a signal field between the operations building and the runway, even if there is no tower. |
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"BT" wrote in
: I have never seen the designated "signal square" on any US airfield.. even US ICAO approved airfields.. It's a brit thing. Bertie |
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On Jul 15, 4:19*pm, Robert Moore wrote:
Sandman *wrote Another quick question - I heard an ATC in B airspace refer to an aircraft as being "in the penalty box" - is this a holding area for aircraft that aren't cleared to depart or who are waiting for an aircraft to clear their gate? At Chicago's O'hare (ORD), waiting for a gate. Bob Moore PanAm (retired) For what it's worth, ORD was in fact the airport where I heard this - thanks - puzzling to me that it would be specific to that airport. I had a research advisor named Bob Moore, BTW -B |
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Sandman wrote
For what it's worth, ORD was in fact the airport where I heard this - thanks - puzzling to me that it would be specific to that airport. The ground controllers at ORD used to have all sorts of cutesy names for the ramps and taxiways. The following was copied for a web site. "O'Hare is a bit busier at nine in the morning than JFK would be, but not enough to be a problem. It's been quite a while since I last originated a flight from ORD, and among other changes the taxiways have all been renamed to the modern standard of alphabetic names. This is a bit of a shame, since ORD taxiways were, at one time, embellished with names of the most outlandish whimsy, such as the "Scenic", no doubt short for the scenic route, which that particular piece of concrete may well have been! "Wolf Road" was the terminology for a short north-south stretch that could, in fact, be seen as a virtual extension of the real Wolf Rd, a major thoroughfare just north of the airport. Some names, such as the "Cargo" were self explanatory (that was the one that ran right by the old cargo facility, the facility that was torn down to make way for the new international terminal), while others, such as the "Wedge" are more nebulous. I suppose that particular taxiway just looked like a wedge from the air. Who among us really knows now, since all of the original players are long retired?" Ah..Yes....aren't we? Bob Moore ATP B-707 B-727 PanAm (retired) |
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:05:34 -0700 (PDT), george
wrote: On Jul 15, 2:34 pm, Clark wrote: You really mean sans-radio now don't you, sport. Not being American no I don't mean that Do they still teach that ? Still need to learn it now do you? Go pay the instructor and get the help you need... My question was and still is Do they still teach pilots how to fly nonaudio circuits ? I use d to fly DH82s and PA18s in the 60s, aircraft not known for their copious radio equipment. in australia the student at a GAAP airport will be given a circuit or two with simulated radio out and the student being given the tower's aldis lamp signalling. the procedure in australia is to dial up 7600 on the transponder, if fitted, which indicates radio failure, then to proceed as per normal practise still trying to make radio calls. you just slot in and make the circuit as best you can. they'll get the picture eventually, and watch for aldis light signals from the tower. so yes it is still taught, but there isnt much to teach. GAAP = general aviation airport procedures. these procedures are used at australian secondary airports. Stealth Pilot |
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On 16 Jul 2008 02:47:40 GMT, Clark wrote:
george wrote in news:44fab440-a69d-4f9d-88f6-c83bbd8135b3 : On Jul 15, 2:34 pm, Clark wrote: You really mean sans-radio now don't you, sport. Not being American no I don't mean that Then what do you mean? Do they still teach that ? Still need to learn it now do you? Go pay the instructor and get the help you need... My question was and still is Do they still teach pilots how to fly nonaudio circuits ? cough, cough I use d to fly DH82s and PA18s in the 60s, sure you did tiger moths and cherokees ??? why do you doubt him??? Stealth Pilot |
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Stealth Pilot wrote in
news On 16 Jul 2008 02:47:40 GMT, Clark wrote: george wrote in news:44fab440-a69d-4f9d-88f6-c83bbd8135b3 : On Jul 15, 2:34 pm, Clark wrote: You really mean sans-radio now don't you, sport. Not being American no I don't mean that Then what do you mean? Do they still teach that ? Still need to learn it now do you? Go pay the instructor and get the help you need... My question was and still is Do they still teach pilots how to fly nonaudio circuits ? cough, cough I use d to fly DH82s and PA18s in the 60s, sure you did tiger moths and cherokees ??? why do you doubt him??? The 18 is a Super cub. I didn't believe him either. Super cubs are as rare as fishlips juice and can only be flown by the seventh son of a seventh son. Bertie |
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On Jul 17, 1:27 am, Stealth Pilot
wrote: On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:05:34 -0700 (PDT), george wrote: On Jul 15, 2:34 pm, Clark wrote: You really mean sans-radio now don't you, sport. Not being American no I don't mean that Do they still teach that ? Still need to learn it now do you? Go pay the instructor and get the help you need... My question was and still is Do they still teach pilots how to fly nonaudio circuits ? I use d to fly DH82s and PA18s in the 60s, aircraft not known for their copious radio equipment. in australia the student at a GAAP airport will be given a circuit or two with simulated radio out and the student being given the tower's aldis lamp signalling. the procedure in australia is to dial up 7600 on the transponder, if fitted, which indicates radio failure, then to proceed as per normal practise still trying to make radio calls. you just slot in and make the circuit as best you can. they'll get the picture eventually, and watch for aldis light signals from the tower. so yes it is still taught, but there isnt much to teach. GAAP = general aviation airport procedures. these procedures are used at australian secondary airports. Thanks. |
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On Jul 17, 1:29 am, Stealth Pilot
wrote: On 16 Jul 2008 02:47:40 GMT, Clark wrote: george wrote in news:44fab440-a69d-4f9d-88f6-c83bbd8135b3 : On Jul 15, 2:34 pm, Clark wrote: You really mean sans-radio now don't you, sport. Not being American no I don't mean that Then what do you mean? Do they still teach that ? Still need to learn it now do you? Go pay the instructor and get the help you need... My question was and still is Do they still teach pilots how to fly nonaudio circuits ? cough, cough I use d to fly DH82s and PA18s in the 60s, sure you did tiger moths and cherokees ??? why do you doubt him??? Piper Cubs mate :-) the 60 horse power variety |
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On Jul 17, 8:51 am, george wrote:
Piper Cubs mate :-) the 60 horse power variety Whoops. My bad. It was a J2. PA18s have electrics AFAIK they have electric start. Sheer luxury |
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