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ADSB panel display
I can certainly read the specs off a website and wave my willy with a
lot of talk of what products are currently on the market.
At 09:18 12 October 2018, Darryl Ramm wrote:
Oh we need stuff to "work together" and have "low power
it batman. You just worked this out? I don't get the impression you
ch of an idea of the technology here, but please do go explain to
and others what they should be doing for the glider market...
On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 1:45:03 AM UTC-7, Alastair Lyas
If you fly anywhere near other gliders then a simple proximity
is going to get pretty annoying and be pretty useless. If you fly
GA then ADSB is going to become essential. This is true of the
the UK, and probably EU. If you fly in a glider with finite
then an ADSB transceiver makes a whole lot more sense than
Regulation will need to catch-up, and the product set needs
evolve. Flarm and UAVionix are working together. What they
to hear from gliderpilots about what solutions will work for
Otherwise all they will design for is GA.=20
My view is we want a combined Powerflarm / ADSB OEM
that can slot into the native gliding navigation systems. With=20
software configurability to deal with the regional legalities of
this in the short term.
At 23:52 11 October 2018, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
On Thursday, October 11, 2018 at 2:47:12 PM UTC-7,
On Thursday, October 11, 2018 at 2:30:05 AM UTC-7,
Might be worth waiting for products combining both
The uAvionix SkyEcho 2 is innovative in ways, but to me it
mitations and is just not that interesting for the USA glider
st, which is why I've not mentioned it before on r.a.s. But
I always expect there is interesting stuff coming, but folks
be a little careful what they might decide to wait for. Well over
ago some folks in the Minden area were waiting for mythical
t never happened, lots of handwaving not grounded in reality,
ases owners unfortunately were putting off transponder
that. Let's not repeat anything like that again. And for the
on't need to wait to actually look at what this device does or
since documentation has been available for a while. And much
below come from just reading that documentation... but OK,
ood understanding of the underlying technology.
The SkyEcho 2 does not include a FLARM transceiver, so in
ou would be adding a PowerFLARM to it via the
option to get
RM capability. That immediately makes it uninteresting to lots
ners. According to the documentation the combined devices
-B traffic and output that on a FLARM serial protocol link so
ffic displays used in a glider can see them... it seems to only
ther way and takes FLARM traffic and adds it to what is being
-90 protocol to GA EFBs etc. The reverse of what most glider
a cockpit (and what PowerFLARM does today for 1090ES
I'll bet it converts PowerFLARMs more useful traffic warnings
malling with other gliders into ADS-B warnings going off all
ense. And given how the FLARM ICD (serial protocol) and GLD-
t there is any sane way not to have to do that. But OK, it is
nd very clearly this product is *not* aimed at gliders.
I'm not sure uAvionix have promised USA FCC approval for
I expect they are likely to. It's not FCC approved today so
advertised in the USA... which may well be why there is
n their USA website or why they don't want to irritate the FCC
ing about it. Having been to the FCC approval mosh pit (I
l it a dance :-)) several times before uAvionix should know
they are doing with FCC approval.
Their launch for the product was very UK centric, which
sting given how far behind overall ADS-B adoption is in Europe
they seem to be hoping to move that needle, ride on UK
d FIS-B trials and combining some FLARM capability. So quite
itchen sink of a product for those uses and very interesting
are so growth oriented they are lookin at trying to seed
So then you want to ask if you need an actual
ct to the SkyEcho 2 to do FLARM then what else does the
and importantly is it a replacement for a transponder?
Importantly the SkyEcho 2 *not* a full transponder but
S/TSO-C199 so should provide compatibility with TCAS which
ortant. I'd love to see one working. ATC will likely not see
wever and that's going to be an issue in many places near
ATC *does* sees Trig transponders running as TABS devices,
transponders underneath the TABS 1090ES Out part. The
is a large concern for me, especially around places like the
ich this thread started with. Without ATC visibility I would
that device for use in that area. I'd love to eventually get
e to confirm and to talk about it with the friendly NOCAL
who cover the Reno area.
You also can't install this (or any other TABS) device in
h an existing Mode C or Mode S transponder.... so can't
TC that way. I can't imagine any glider owner with a
lider who would want to pull it out and replace it with a
t meant losing visibility to ATC... a large part of why they
transponder to start with.
The SkyEcho 2 also won't meet FAA 2020 ADS-B Out=20
gh gliders are partially exempt, we still have folks who want to
y Class C airspace (but below 10,000').
It's a little confusing in some many ways the SkyEcho
at UAVs (or maybe ultralights) but things like UAT In/FIS-B
more a GA
eature, so it sure is an intersting product to follow for geeks
ut kind of wedged into a space between others products,
l Mode S/1090ES Out transponders on one side. We'll see....
Other products with combined ADS-B and FLARM
PowerFLARM today does 1090ES In (Direct only, no ADS-R
RM. (effectively all PowerFLARM sold in the USA have the
LXNav PowerMouse is coming, apparently undergoing
ADS-B In option it does 1090ES In (but unlike PowerFLARM
and hopefully TIS-B) and FLARM. (hopefully LXNav will be
PowerMouse sold in the USA will all have 1090ES In option).
Other vendors like AirAvionic have new FLARM products
bilities coming, I wish they would start describing those
capabilities more clearly and ideally clarifying their plans for
arket. (their ATD57 display is still great however if anybody
ated FLARM display).
Alastair I assume you are in the UK? or elsewhere in Europe.
sure why you care about FLARM and the USA with a LXNav
but if you
ally want to operate in the USA hopefully you have a
ternal box (i.e. a model with FCC approval) connected to the
You are a stud!
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