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Navy? C2/COD makes single engine, gear up landing.



 
 
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Old August 16th 05, 12:28 AM
Dave S
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Default Navy? C2/COD makes single engine, gear up landing.

Just saw a video on local (Houston) news of a Grumman C2 making a belly
landing on a paved runway at Norfolk, VA. Over 25 souls on board,
everyone ok.

The left fan was turning, the right one was feathered. Apparently the
right engine failure prevented the gear from being extended. I would
have figured the military a/c would have the ability to extend the gear
inspite of an engine out.

Anyone familiar with the systems on these birds, and wether the right
engine is "critical" with regards to this function, or is there likely a
double failure of some kind (powerplant AND hydraulics).

Flaps were extended/down, but I am unsure if they were in full landing,
or approach setting, nor am I sure of how they are actuated.

Dave

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Old August 16th 05, 02:01 AM
Bret Ludwig
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Most a/c have hydraulics on both engines PLUS a blowdown or bleed air
valve to provide emergency gear extension.

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Old August 16th 05, 03:19 AM
Doug Carter
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In article et, Dave S wrote:

The left fan was turning, the right one was feathered. Apparently the
right engine failure prevented the gear from being extended. I would
have figured the military a/c would have the ability to extend the gear
inspite of an engine out.


Perhaps they were saving the starboard engine from a tear down inspection.
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Old August 16th 05, 03:24 AM
Dave S
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Perhaps they were saving the starboard engine from a tear down
inspection.

The aircraft is a high wing twin. The props appear to clear the
ground... and the left one continued to operate quite briskly until
AFTER the landing.

I think the Navy would hang someone from the yardarm (if they still have
em) if someone stowed a perfectly good, taxpayer supplied turbine engine
with 25 passengers..

Dave

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Old August 16th 05, 03:51 AM
George Patterson
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Dave S wrote:

I think the Navy would hang someone from the yardarm (if they still have
em).....


Until the termites finish off the U.S.S. Constitution, the Navy will have quite
a few yardarms.

George Patterson
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Old August 16th 05, 04:12 AM
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Could it be possible the one prop was turning and the other one was stopped
to help get rid of any excess speed? Just a thought.

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

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Dave S wrote:

I think the Navy would hang someone from the yardarm (if they still have
em).....


Until the termites finish off the U.S.S. Constitution, the Navy will have
quite a few yardarms.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.


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Old August 16th 05, 06:02 AM
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"W P Dixon" wrote

Could it be possible the one prop was turning and the other one was

stopped
to help get rid of any excess speed? Just a thought.


I doubt it. They would use close to normal speed, and plus, they con
control speed all they want, with prop pitch. If anything, I'll bet they
can adjust speed better, with both burning.
--
Jim in NC

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Old August 16th 05, 09:36 PM
Bob Gardner
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A stopped/feathered prop has less drag than a windmilling prop, so if there
were any effect on speed it would be an increase, not a decrease.

Bob Gardner

"W P Dixon" wrote in message
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Could it be possible the one prop was turning and the other one was
stopped to help get rid of any excess speed? Just a thought.

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

"George Patterson" wrote in message
news:NwcMe.166$zb.14@trndny04...
Dave S wrote:

I think the Navy would hang someone from the yardarm (if they still have
em).....


Until the termites finish off the U.S.S. Constitution, the Navy will have
quite a few yardarms.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.




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Old August 18th 05, 02:08 AM
Michelle P
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the right engine was secured for evacuation purposes. They did not want
anyone to run into a turning prop.
Michelle

Dave S wrote:

Perhaps they were saving the starboard engine from a tear down

inspection.

The aircraft is a high wing twin. The props appear to clear the
ground... and the left one continued to operate quite briskly until
AFTER the landing.

I think the Navy would hang someone from the yardarm (if they still
have em) if someone stowed a perfectly good, taxpayer supplied turbine
engine with 25 passengers..

Dave


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Old August 18th 05, 05:04 AM
Morgans
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"Michelle P" wrote

the right engine was secured for evacuation purposes. They did not want
anyone to run into a turning prop.


That makes perfect sense. How did you find out, or is that just the answer
that makes sense to you?
--
Jim in NC

 




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