skyrides are at it again?

It is just as sleazy some places on the other side.

One example, the southern NV soaring club uses the legal dba and trademark
of the local FBO to solicit for profit glider rides.

See:
http://www.m.superpages.com/mobile/y...lid=0113644510

No accident the web link leads you to: www.lvvsa.org and their phone
number.

According to the local flying attourneys, this club is listed with
the Internal Revenue Service and Clark County as a non-profit organization.


Also advertises in the local yellow business pages and not for FAST rides
although an SSA afiliated club.

Just how many millions of dollars did Skydive Arizona win from Skyride for
misrepresentation, fraud, defamation, trademark infringement and lost
revenues?

See: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/safe...age.cgi?ID=606

So who pays the fines, legal fees and verifiable loss of income when the
glider club gets caught? Unaware club members with their dues and assets or
the bond and note holders.

Word of caution. Dangerous waters, glider clubs.

CLYDE R.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

At 23:15 22 August 2011, JayM wrote:
On Aug 22, 1:06=A0pm, Rex Mayes wrote:
It seems that the company SkyRides has now formed a new company called
Soaring Sports and has become an SSA business member to hyjack the
F.A.S.T program in order to sell rides.

Some operators will not do business with Sky Rides by honoring the
certificates it sells. =A0Sky Rides has contacted the SSA to sell the
F.A.S.T. program to unknowing customers. =A0These customers call a
gliderport to redeem the F.A.S.T certificate and the operator has no
idea that it was not sold by the SSA but rather, by the Sky Rides
company.

Can any of the operators confirm this?

I talked with Mr Barber today also and it seemed like a good idea at
the time.
But if they are really a re-wrapped Scam outfit we need to nip it
soon.
I wonder how much more than the usual $99 they will charge in order to
make a profit?

It is just as sleazy some places on the other side.

One example, the southern NV soaring club uses the legal dba and trademark
of the local FBO to solicit for profit glider rides.

See:
http://www.m.superpages.com/mobile/y...lid=0113644510

No accident the web link leads you to: www.lvvsa.org and their phone
number.

According to the local flying attourneys, this club is listed with
the Internal Revenue Service and Clark County as a non-profit organization.


Also advertises in the local yellow business pages and not for FAST rides
although an SSA afiliated club.

Just how many millions of dollars did Skydive Arizona win from Skyride for
misrepresentation, fraud, defamation, trademark infringement and lost
revenues?

See: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/safe...age.cgi?ID=606

So who pays the fines, legal fees and verifiable loss of income when the
glider club gets caught? Unaware club members with their dues and assets or
the bond and note holders.

Word of caution. Dangerous waters, glider clubs.

CLYDE R.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

At 23:15 22 August 2011, JayM wrote:
On Aug 22, 1:06=A0pm, Rex Mayes wrote:
It seems that the company SkyRides has now formed a new company called
Soaring Sports and has become an SSA business member to hyjack the
F.A.S.T program in order to sell rides.

Some operators will not do business with Sky Rides by honoring the
certificates it sells. =A0Sky Rides has contacted the SSA to sell the
F.A.S.T. program to unknowing customers. =A0These customers call a
gliderport to redeem the F.A.S.T certificate and the operator has no
idea that it was not sold by the SSA but rather, by the Sky Rides
company.

Can any of the operators confirm this?

I talked with Mr Barber today also and it seemed like a good idea at
the time.
But if they are really a re-wrapped Scam outfit we need to nip it
soon.
I wonder how much more than the usual $99 they will charge in order to
make a profit?

On Aug 22, 11:10*pm, Clyde Rasmusen
wrote:
It is just as sleazy some places on the other side.

One example, the southern NV soaring club uses the legal dba and trademark
of the local FBO to solicit for profit glider rides.

See:http://www.m.superpages.com/mobile/y...lid=0113644510

No accident the web link leads you to:www.lvvsa.organd their phone
number.

According to the local flying attourneys, this club is listed with
the Internal Revenue Service and Clark County as a non-profit organization.

On Aug 23, 7:59*am, Grider Pirate wrote:
On Aug 22, 11:10*pm, Clyde Rasmusen





wrote:
It is just as sleazy some places on the other side.

One example, the southern NV soaring club uses the legal dba and trademark
of the local FBO to solicit for profit glider rides.

See:http://www.m.superpages.com/mobile/y...lid=0113644510

No accident the web link leads you to:www.lvvsa.organdtheir phone
number.

According to the local flying attourneys, this club is listed with
the Internal Revenue Service and Clark County as a non-profit organization.

Also advertises in the local yellow business pages and not for FAST rides
although an SSA afiliated club.

Just how many millions of dollars did Skydive Arizona win from Skyride for
misrepresentation, fraud, defamation, trademark infringement and lost
revenues?

See:http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/safe...age.cgi?ID=606

So who pays the fines, legal fees and verifiable loss of income when the
glider club gets caught? Unaware club members with their dues and assets or
the bond and note holders.

Word of caution. Dangerous waters, glider clubs.

CLYDE R.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

At 23:15 22 August 2011, JayM wrote:

On Aug 22, 1:06=A0pm, Rex Mayes *wrote:
It seems that the company SkyRides has now formed a new company called
Soaring Sports and has become an SSA business member to hyjack the
F.A.S.T program in order to sell rides.

Some operators will not do business with Sky Rides by honoring the
certificates it sells. =A0Sky Rides has contacted the SSA to sell the
F.A.S.T. program to unknowing customers. =A0These customers call a
gliderport to redeem the F.A.S.T certificate and the operator has no
idea that it was not sold by the SSA but rather, by the Sky Rides
company.

Can any of the operators confirm this?

I talked with Mr Barber today also and it seemed like a good idea at
the time.
But if they are really a re-wrapped Scam outfit we need to nip it
soon.
I wonder how much more than the usual $99 they will charge in order to
make a profit?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Excuse me?? *I've been a member of the LVVSA for 10 years now. LVVSA
does not, never has, and never will give glider rides for profit. * We
participate in the FAST program. *When people call looking to 'take a
ride' in a glider, we refer them to the local commercial operator. I
personally give about a dozen rides a year - splitting the cost of the
tow and glider with the rider, or in many cases simply paying for the
entire ride myself.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Just for proof, I second Grider Pirate's comments, I am a fellow LVVSA
member as well and that is the truth. Clyde has it wrong and I'm
guessing he/she is part of the scam. No suprise the link does not
work. And thanks again to Darryl's for his accurate (as usual) work
with this.

On Aug 23, 8:59*am, Grider Pirate wrote:
On Aug 22, 11:10*pm, Clyde Rasmusen









wrote:
It is just as sleazy some places on the other side.

One example, the southern NV soaring club uses the legal dba and trademark
of the local FBO to solicit for profit glider rides.

See:http://www.m.superpages.com/mobile/y...lid=0113644510

No accident the web link leads you to:www.lvvsa.organdtheir phone
number.

According to the local flying attourneys, this club is listed with
the Internal Revenue Service and Clark County as a non-profit organization.

Also advertises in the local yellow business pages and not for FAST rides
although an SSA afiliated club.

Just how many millions of dollars did Skydive Arizona win from Skyride for
misrepresentation, fraud, defamation, trademark infringement and lost
revenues?

See:http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/safe...age.cgi?ID=606

So who pays the fines, legal fees and verifiable loss of income when the
glider club gets caught? Unaware club members with their dues and assets or
the bond and note holders.

Word of caution. Dangerous waters, glider clubs.

CLYDE R.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

At 23:15 22 August 2011, JayM wrote:

On Aug 22, 1:06=A0pm, Rex Mayes *wrote:
It seems that the company SkyRides has now formed a new company called
Soaring Sports and has become an SSA business member to hyjack the
F.A.S.T program in order to sell rides.

Some operators will not do business with Sky Rides by honoring the
certificates it sells. =A0Sky Rides has contacted the SSA to sell the
F.A.S.T. program to unknowing customers. =A0These customers call a
gliderport to redeem the F.A.S.T certificate and the operator has no
idea that it was not sold by the SSA but rather, by the Sky Rides
company.

Can any of the operators confirm this?

I talked with Mr Barber today also and it seemed like a good idea at
the time.
But if they are really a re-wrapped Scam outfit we need to nip it
soon.
I wonder how much more than the usual $99 they will charge in order to
make a profit?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Excuse me?? *I've been a member of the LVVSA for 10 years now. LVVSA
does not, never has, and never will give glider rides for profit. * We
participate in the FAST program. *When people call looking to 'take a
ride' in a glider, we refer them to the local commercial operator. I
personally give about a dozen rides a year - splitting the cost of the
tow and glider with the rider, or in many cases simply paying for the
entire ride myself.

I think Clyde is referring to
http://www.soaringcenter.net/
being the 'real' Las Vegas Glider Rides and somehow the Superpages
listing is an attempt to 'hijack' this. However, my business is
listed in Superpages (among 28 others, some of which have no actual
presence or capability here). So using that as some kind of proof is
bogus. No idea what the local

Perhaps that's the commercial operator you mention.

I searched for Las Vegas Glider Rides on dexknows.com for Las Vegas
and found nothing. It did appear for Jean, NV and was the club's
phone and address. Did the same for Yellowpages.com for Las Vegas and
it linked to the club. However the website description talked about
it being a member organization with no mention of glider rides. In
neither case did the Soaring Center get resolved, so maybe they
haven't paid for any advertising or listings.

Clubs are not prohibited from giving rides if their insurance permits
it and they comply with the appropriate FARs. However, they can't
provide competing services at the same airport as a commercial
operator. That's an IRS restriction. They can provide training to
members only and redeeming FAST packages means they must make that
person a member of the club/chapter and complete the SSA Introductory
Membership if participating in the SSA Group Insurance Plan.

A non-profit organization can make a profit. The restriction is what
is done with the profit. It must be directed back into the stated
purpose of the organization. Non-profits may also have unrelated
income, for which they will incur a tax liability.

Type Las Vegas Glider Rides into Google and see what you get and the
order.

That said, my opinion is that clubs shouldn't provide ride services as
a general rule, but concentrate on growing their club and soaring.
Club rides are generally priced such that it's not a big revenue
stream. That said, there is at least one SSA region with no
commercial operation. Selling rides to the public denies other
members use of the equipment and perhaps instructors. In a club/
chapter, it's the membership that's important. Introductory
memberships and mini-courses of 3-4 lessons allow a prospective full
member to see if they are a good fit for the club and for soaring as
an activity as an exploratory stepping stone, rather than asking them
to plunk down the big money to join up to find that out. It provides
3 or 4 opportunities to set the hook, to soar away for an hour, and
they hold in their hand a logbook with actual flight lessons logged.
It also sets a price point that drives away the drive-by joy rides.

Frank Whiteley

Currently many commercial glider operations do not want to
work with some ticket agencies reselling their tickets because
they cannibalize business from customers already searching for
them online. They have professional sales people, slick yet
vague websites, the advertising budget to get top search engine
placement and can often sell for less than a commercial glider
operator because they make a good profit off of unredeemed
gift certificates.

If commercial glider operators do not want to work with them
now, then I would expect they will just quit the FAST program if
it means they would have to accept gift certificates sold by a
third party ticket agency. So then it is conceivable that
commercial operations would see a loss of business and
participating clubs would be over burdened with rides. If people
are buying a gift for a glider ride, is it then legal or ethical to
send the gift recipient to a non-profit club when the customer felt
they were dealing with a commercial business? Does the fact
that a ticket agency make a profit on the ride cause a problem
for the non-profit club status?

The way the SAA FAST program works now, the majority of
people being sent to a flight school would not have otherwise
found them and so are most likely helping increase their
business. However, if most of the people sent to them through
the FAST program are really just looking for a ride and typically
would have bought directly from the operator, then the FAST
program no longer makes since to operators. A commercial
operation typically takes a loss when honoring a FAST
certificate.

Caution should be used before trying to remove any SSA
business member since this may cause some legal problems for
the SSA. New rules could be created for the FAST program to
close any loopholes which could cause the program to collapse.
Maybe only allow participating flight schools who actually honor
the FAST certificates be allowed to resale the FAST certificates.
You may also want to limit the number a FAST certificates each
one can resale (since one could buy or lease a glider and
towplane to operate just 1 day a year) plus require that sales
methods for FAST certificates need to be directed primarily
towards customers planning to use them at their own location.
This needs more thought before setting the rules but this gives
an idea of how to close the loopholes without causing legal
problems. The US parachute association supposedly had a bad
experience trying to kick out a business member once for
similar reasons and were not successful in removing them I
heard.

A flight school who works with a third party ticket agency can
still offer the FAST program to those students that schedule with
them through the third party ticket agency and who really want
a lesson. The flight school can purchase the book packets
directly from the SSA for $50, give them to any students coming
in for an intro lesson and then get their $50 back when the SSA
receives the membership certificate. This is what the Hollister
Soaring Center does with every new student. The SSA gets a
new member and the student gets essentially free books plus a
membership. There is no need or advantage for the SSA to work
with any third party ticket agency that I can see.

Currently many commercial glider operations do not want to
work with some ticket agencies reselling their tickets because
they cannibalize business from customers already searching for
them online. They have professional sales people, slick yet
vague websites, the advertising budget to get top search engine
placement and can often sell for less than a commercial glider
operator because they make a good profit off of unredeemed
gift certificates.

If commercial glider operators do not want to work with them
now, then I would expect they will just quit the FAST program if
it means they would have to accept gift certificates sold by a
third party ticket agency. So then it is conceivable that
commercial operations would see a loss of business and
participating clubs would be over burdened with rides. If people
are buying a gift for a glider ride, is it then legal or ethical to
send the gift recipient to a non-profit club when the customer felt
they were dealing with a commercial business? Does the fact
that a ticket agency make a profit on the ride cause a problem
for the non-profit club status?

The way the SAA FAST program works now, the majority of
people being sent to a flight school would not have otherwise
found them and so are most likely helping increase their
business. However, if most of the people sent to them through
the FAST program are really just looking for a ride and typically
would have bought directly from the operator, then the FAST
program no longer makes since to operators. A commercial
operation typically takes a loss when honoring a FAST
certificate.

Caution should be used before trying to remove any SSA
business member since this may cause some legal problems for
the SSA. New rules could be created for the FAST program to
close any loopholes which could cause the program to collapse.
Maybe only allow participating flight schools who actually honor
the FAST certificates be allowed to resale the FAST certificates.
You may also want to limit the number a FAST certificates each
one can resale (since one could buy or lease a glider and
towplane to operate just 1 day a year) plus require that sales
methods for FAST certificates need to be directed primarily
towards customers planning to use them at their own location.
This needs more thought before setting the rules but this gives
an idea of how to close the loopholes without causing legal
problems. The US parachute association supposedly had a bad
experience trying to kick out a business member once for
similar reasons and were not successful in removing them I
heard.

A flight school who works with a third party ticket agency can
still offer the FAST program to those students that schedule with
them through the third party ticket agency and who really want
a lesson. The flight school can purchase the book packets
directly from the SSA for $50, give them to any students coming
in for an intro lesson and then get their $50 back when the SSA
receives the membership certificate. This is what the Hollister
Soaring Center does with every new student. The SSA gets a
new member and the student gets essentially free books plus a
membership. There is no need or advantage for the SSA to work
with any third party ticket agency that I can see.

clipped comments
As the current Treasurer and long time board member of Las Vegas
Valley Soaring Association I can assure you that we do NOT sell
commercial glider rides.
Our insurance doesn't cover it and we are not interested in that kind
of business.
We refer all of those folks to (702)874-1010, the local commercial
glider business run by Michael Henderson.
They have been known as Las Vegas Glider Rides or the Las Vegas
Soaring Center depending on what year and what document is used.
Any connection of our club to that operation is a typographical error
or an error in someone's research.
We do support the FAST program as implemented by SSA.
Jay McDaniel

On Aug 23, 9:11*am, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Aug 23, 8:59*am, Grider Pirate wrote:





On Aug 22, 11:10*pm, Clyde Rasmusen

wrote:
It is just as sleazy some places on the other side.

One example, the southern NV soaring club uses the legal dba and trademark
of the local FBO to solicit for profit glider rides.

See:http://www.m.superpages.com/mobile/y...lid=0113644510

No accident the web link leads you to:www.lvvsa.organdtheirphone
number.

According to the local flying attourneys, this club is listed with
the Internal Revenue Service and Clark County as a non-profit organization.

Also advertises in the local yellow business pages and not for FAST rides
although an SSA afiliated club.

Just how many millions of dollars did Skydive Arizona win from Skyride for
misrepresentation, fraud, defamation, trademark infringement and lost
revenues?

See:http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/safe...age.cgi?ID=606

So who pays the fines, legal fees and verifiable loss of income when the
glider club gets caught? Unaware club members with their dues and assets or
the bond and note holders.

Word of caution. Dangerous waters, glider clubs.

CLYDE R.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

At 23:15 22 August 2011, JayM wrote:

On Aug 22, 1:06=A0pm, Rex Mayes *wrote:
It seems that the company SkyRides has now formed a new company called
Soaring Sports and has become an SSA business member to hyjack the
F.A.S.T program in order to sell rides.

Some operators will not do business with Sky Rides by honoring the
certificates it sells. =A0Sky Rides has contacted the SSA to sell the
F.A.S.T. program to unknowing customers. =A0These customers call a
gliderport to redeem the F.A.S.T certificate and the operator has no
idea that it was not sold by the SSA but rather, by the Sky Rides
company.

Can any of the operators confirm this?

I talked with Mr Barber today also and it seemed like a good idea at
the time.
But if they are really a re-wrapped Scam outfit we need to nip it
soon.
I wonder how much more than the usual $99 they will charge in order to
make a profit?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Excuse me?? *I've been a member of the LVVSA for 10 years now. LVVSA
does not, never has, and never will give glider rides for profit. * We
participate in the FAST program. *When people call looking to 'take a
ride' in a glider, we refer them to the local commercial operator. I
personally give about a dozen rides a year - splitting the cost of the
tow and glider with the rider, or in many cases simply paying for the
entire ride myself.

I think Clyde is referring tohttp://www.soaringcenter.net/
being the 'real' Las Vegas Glider Rides and somehow the Superpages
listing is an attempt to 'hijack' this. *However, my business is
listed in Superpages (among 28 others, some of which have no actual
presence or capability here). *So using that as some kind of proof is
bogus. *No idea what the local

Perhaps that's the commercial operator you mention.

I searched for Las Vegas Glider Rides on dexknows.com for Las Vegas
and found nothing. *It did appear for Jean, NV and was the club's
phone and address. *Did the same for Yellowpages.com for Las Vegas and
it linked to the club. *However the website description talked about
it being a member organization with no mention of glider rides. *In
neither case did the Soaring Center get resolved, so maybe they
haven't paid for any advertising or listings.

Clubs are not prohibited from giving rides if their insurance permits
it and they comply with the appropriate FARs. *However, they can't
provide competing services at the same airport as a commercial
operator. *That's an IRS restriction. *They can provide training to
members only and redeeming FAST packages means they must make that
person a member of the club/chapter and complete the SSA Introductory
Membership if participating in the SSA Group Insurance Plan.

A non-profit organization can make a profit. *The restriction is what
is done with the profit. *It must be directed back into the stated
purpose of the organization. *Non-profits may also have unrelated
income, for which they will incur a tax liability.

Type Las Vegas Glider Rides into Google and see what you get and the
order.

That said, my opinion is that clubs shouldn't provide ride services as
a general rule, but concentrate on growing their club and soaring.
Club rides are generally priced such that it's not a big revenue
stream. *That said, there is at least one SSA region with no
commercial operation. *Selling rides to the public denies other
members use of the equipment and perhaps instructors. *In a club/
chapter, it's the membership that's important. *Introductory
memberships and mini-courses of 3-4 lessons allow a prospective full
member to see if they are a good fit for the club and for soaring as
an activity as an exploratory stepping stone, rather than asking them
to plunk down the big money to join up to find that out. *It provides
3 or 4 opportunities to set the hook, to soar away for an hour, and
they hold in their hand a logbook with actual flight lessons logged.
It also sets a price point that drives away the drive-by joy rides.

Frank Whiteley- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Thanks Frank.. and others..
I can assure you that the Southern NV Club, LVVSA, listed in the
original post has been in existance for over 20 years and a Charter
Club listed under SAA. We have been registered with the State of NV
for as many years as a "not for profit" club. We are not a 501C3 or
501c7 club for the IRS purposes.

The "Commercial" Operation at Jean has only been in existance a few
years and piggy backed on our name by using Las Vegas Glider Rides or
Las Vegas Soaring Center.

We at LVVSA have not contracted with any advertiser such as SUPERPAGES
or DEXKNOWS or any company to advertise our soaring club. Those
companies compile information from the local telephone yellow pages
and internet data miners to try and put something together and then
"sell" their adveristing to the user.

I've contacted many companies listed in DEX or SUPERPAGES that have
not contracted with those companies and had to put up with the FALSE
advertising those companies produce without a contract.

And just who to @#$%@#%$ is this CLYDE character that has no idea of
what he speaks.
Maybe he should come down to the Club and See the difference between
the CLUB and the other oufit that operates at Jean.
I would be glad to personally enlighten him.

We only accept FAST certificates and no others.

Bill Tisdale, Club President.

On Aug 23, 9:11*am, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Aug 23, 8:59*am, Grider Pirate wrote:





On Aug 22, 11:10*pm, Clyde Rasmusen

wrote:
It is just as sleazy some places on the other side.

One example, the southern NV soaring club uses the legal dba and trademark
of the local FBO to solicit for profit glider rides.

See:http://www.m.superpages.com/mobile/y...lid=0113644510

No accident the web link leads you to:www.lvvsa.organdtheirphone
number.

According to the local flying attourneys, this club is listed with
the Internal Revenue Service and Clark County as a non-profit organization.

Also advertises in the local yellow business pages and not for FAST rides
although an SSA afiliated club.

Just how many millions of dollars did Skydive Arizona win from Skyride for
misrepresentation, fraud, defamation, trademark infringement and lost
revenues?

See:http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/safe...age.cgi?ID=606

So who pays the fines, legal fees and verifiable loss of income when the
glider club gets caught? Unaware club members with their dues and assets or
the bond and note holders.

Word of caution. Dangerous waters, glider clubs.

CLYDE R.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

At 23:15 22 August 2011, JayM wrote:

On Aug 22, 1:06=A0pm, Rex Mayes *wrote:
It seems that the company SkyRides has now formed a new company called
Soaring Sports and has become an SSA business member to hyjack the
F.A.S.T program in order to sell rides.

Some operators will not do business with Sky Rides by honoring the
certificates it sells. =A0Sky Rides has contacted the SSA to sell the
F.A.S.T. program to unknowing customers. =A0These customers call a
gliderport to redeem the F.A.S.T certificate and the operator has no
idea that it was not sold by the SSA but rather, by the Sky Rides
company.

Can any of the operators confirm this?

I talked with Mr Barber today also and it seemed like a good idea at
the time.
But if they are really a re-wrapped Scam outfit we need to nip it
soon.
I wonder how much more than the usual $99 they will charge in order to
make a profit?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Excuse me?? *I've been a member of the LVVSA for 10 years now. LVVSA
does not, never has, and never will give glider rides for profit. * We
participate in the FAST program. *When people call looking to 'take a
ride' in a glider, we refer them to the local commercial operator. I
personally give about a dozen rides a year - splitting the cost of the
tow and glider with the rider, or in many cases simply paying for the
entire ride myself.

I think Clyde is referring tohttp://www.soaringcenter.net/
being the 'real' Las Vegas Glider Rides and somehow the Superpages
listing is an attempt to 'hijack' this. *However, my business is
listed in Superpages (among 28 others, some of which have no actual
presence or capability here). *So using that as some kind of proof is
bogus. *No idea what the local

Perhaps that's the commercial operator you mention.

I searched for Las Vegas Glider Rides on dexknows.com for Las Vegas
and found nothing. *It did appear for Jean, NV and was the club's
phone and address. *Did the same for Yellowpages.com for Las Vegas and
it linked to the club. *However the website description talked about




Frank Whiteley- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The number I found looking up LAS VEGAS GLIDER RIDES in DEX is
actually the company number, not the club number.
Searching LAS VEGAS GLIDER RIDES in YELLOWBOOK does list the club and
the club phone number. We have no control over how Yellow Book runs
their search engine.

Bill Tisdale