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If you are looking for a fight...
There has been some talk of men who wanted combat but due to "timing" or "luck"
they missed out. Well if you are in a unit that won't get into the fight, just try this. Go to your CO and say," Sir, I hear the 344th is moving out to the ETO. I want to go with them. Here is my transfer request. Please sign it". He will immediately. After he signs it walk it through and you will go into battle with the 344th. Or of course you can just keep a low profille , keep your mouth shut, do nothing, then for the rest of your life you can always say " I wanted combat but timing and luck kept me out" and see if you can live with that. Arthur Kramer Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, Art Kramer
blurted out: There has been some talk of men who wanted combat but due to "timing" or "luck" they missed out. Well if you are in a unit that won't get into the fight, just try this. Go to your CO and say," Sir, I hear the 344th is moving out to the ETO. I want to go with them. Here is my transfer request. Please sign it". He will immediately. After he signs it walk it through and you will go into battle with the 344th. Or of course you can just keep a low profille , keep your mouth shut, do nothing, then for the rest of your life you can always say " I wanted combat but timing and luck kept me out" and see if you can live with that. Imagine your surprise in August of 1990, Iraq invades Kuwait. You call ARPC and volunteer to go back on active duty. "No Thanks, we don't need any F-16 pilots...but if you're in Security Police, we'd love to have you back." So you join the local ANG unit as a non-flying staff puke. January 1991 rolls around, shooting starts, and you call ARPC again. "Yes we'd love to have you back on active duty as an F-16 pilot, what's your status? ANG huh? Sorry but you have to go with your ANG unit, if you weren't in a unit we could take you back. No sir no exceptions!" Yep, I can live with that. I volunteer and my wife winds up in the sandbox and flies combat air-evac (she was a flight nurse). Juvat |
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Subject: If you are looking for a fight...
From: (BUFDRVR) Date: 7/7/03 9:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: There has been some talk of men who wanted combat but due to "timing" or "luck" they missed out. Well if you are in a unit that won't get into the fight, just try this. Go to your CO and say," Sir, I hear the 344th is moving out to the ETO. I want to go with them. Here is my transfer request. Please sign it". He will immediately. After he signs it walk it through and you will go into battle with the 344th. Or of course you can just keep a low profille , keep your mouth shut, do nothing, then for the rest of your life you can always say " I wanted combat but timing and luck kept me out" and see if you can live with that. Art, you really need to step out of the 1940's and into the 1960's (at least). Every guy I know that has missed out on operations has done everything in their power to get into the fight. Combat operations today is not World War Two, 1943. Not every B-52 crew was deployed for operations in Iraq, in fact some were deployed to keep an eye on North Korea (no combat ensued there so their service is not noteworthy or honorable by your standard). Not ever F-16CG unit was deployed and the list goes on. Its all timing, luck and some skill to get deployed for real world ops now a days. If it only took a request, you couldn't meet a B-52 crewmember today with out combat time. BUFDRVR Seems to be something wrong when you want to fight and they won't let you Wars were more fun back then. Besides, I can't get out of the 40's. That was, without apology, for better or worse, my war.(sigh) Arthur Kramer Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message ... Besides, I can't get out of the 40's. Seek a therapist. |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:
"ArtKramr" wrote in message ... Besides, I can't get out of the 40's. Seek a therapist. Didn't take long to lower the level of discourse. Are eee esss pee eee cee tee--just a little bit.... Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (ret) ***"When Thunder Rolled: *** An F-105 Pilot Over N. Vietnam" *** from Smithsonian Books ISBN: 1588341038 |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in "ArtKramr" wrote in message Besides, I can't get out of the 40's. Seek a therapist. Better yet- "Get a bloody life!" |
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"Kilroy" wrote in message ... Better yet- "Get a bloody life!" Ya got that right. One doesn't need too much time in this forum to conclude this guy couldn't have accomplished much before or after his brief military service in WWII. |
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"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message Didn't take long to lower the level of discourse. Are eee esss pee eee cee tee--just a little bit.... It is a two way street, buddy. He needs a Valium. |
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On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 15:20:30 GMT, Ed Rasimus wrote:
I sympathize with your point of view that if someone really wants to get into the battle they can take the initiative, but it doesn't happen the way you describe and hasn't since 1964 when I entered active duty. I was in the Philippines when Desert Shield started. We'd been under a severe terrorist threat for a couple of years before that, and when the Desert Shield deployees started getting Imminent Danger pay the same thing was quickly approved for us (at the PACOM admirals insistence). Soon after that there was an urgent call from my command (Electronic Security Command) for people in my AFSC to volunteer for the deployment. Many people in my unit (including myself) immediately sought out further information to see how this could be done. Turns out it couldn't for us. The Air Force wouldn't allow us to go from one "combat zone" theater to another (and I believe that's military-wide). Our command wouldn't even attempt to process volunteer request coming out of the PI. Oh, and it took less than 24 hours for the command to call for volunteers before amending the message to say that those of us in the PI wouldn't be considered. -Jeff B. yeff at erols dot com |
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