PFC Lynch gets a Bronze Star?

"Brian" wrote:
Did I hear correctly on the news that PFC Lynch
was awarded a Bronze Star
along with a POW Medal and Purple Heart? I can
understand the last two but a
freakin Bronze Star? What act of heroism did
she perform? Don't get me
wrong, I'm not saying she did anything wrong
but isn't the Army getting a
little generous with the Bronze Star?



Almost everyone who survived the ambush got a Bronze Star-two other survivors
(incl. one of her fellow POWs) got Silver Stars. Apparently she DID fire
her M-16, but whether or not she killed any of her attackers is still in
dispute. The SEAL team I would imagine would be up for either a NUC or PUC.
Mohammed the Iraqi who tipped off the Marines to her location will probably
get the greatest reward of all: US Citizenship for himself and his family.
Congress might give him a Congressional Gold Medal, though.

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Subject: PFC Lynch gets a Bronze Star?
From: "Keith Willshaw"
Date: 7/24/03 2:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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"M Power" wrote in message
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"M Power" wrote in message
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You're comparing apples to oranges. She got into a auto accident.

So you presumably think Lord Louis Mountbatten was killed
in a boating accident ?

Keith

Please put down the crack-pipe and speak sensibly. Thank you.



Your inability to post a substantive response is noted.

Keth




That analogy was over his head.I thought it was pretty clever. (grin)

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Subject: PFC Lynch gets a Bronze Star?
From: "Keith Willshaw"
Date: 7/24/03 2:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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"M Power" wrote in message
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"M Power" wrote in message
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You're comparing apples to oranges. She got into a auto accident.

So you presumably think Lord Louis Mountbatten was killed
in a boating accident ?

Keith

Please put down the crack-pipe and speak sensibly. Thank you.



Your inability to post a substantive response is noted.

Keth




That analogy was over his head.I thought it was pretty clever. (grin)

It wasn't clever, nor was it over my head. An IRA bombing on a boat
has nothing to do with PFC Lynch since the only thing that happened to
her was an auto accident. She wasn't shot, she wasn't stabbed, she
wasn't beaten. Bad analogy and a bad argument.



Arthur Kramer
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Subject: PFC Lynch gets a Bronze Star?
From: (M Power)
Date: 7/24/03 12:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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(ArtKramr) wrote in message
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Subject: PFC Lynch gets a Bronze Star?
From: "Keith Willshaw"
Date: 7/24/03 2:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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"M Power" wrote in message
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"M Power" wrote in message
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You're comparing apples to oranges. She got into a auto accident.

So you presumably think Lord Louis Mountbatten was killed
in a boating accident ?

Keith

Please put down the crack-pipe and speak sensibly. Thank you.



Your inability to post a substantive response is noted.

Keth




That analogy was over his head.I thought it was pretty clever. (grin)

It wasn't clever, nor was it over my head. An IRA bombing on a boat
has nothing to do with PFC Lynch since the only thing that happened to
her was an auto accident. She wasn't shot, she wasn't stabbed, she
wasn't beaten. Bad analogy and a bad argument.



Arthur Kramer
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer


Yeah they say she had a real fun time as a PW and a patient in an Iraqi Why did
they have to rush in and rescue her when she was having such a great time as a
captive? But since you went through the same experience you would know all
about that. Right?

Arthur Kramer
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http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"M Power" wrote in message
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(ArtKramr) wrote in message
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That analogy was over his head.I thought it was pretty clever. (grin)

It wasn't clever, nor was it over my head. An IRA bombing on a boat
has nothing to do with PFC Lynch since the only thing that happened to
her was an auto accident. She wasn't shot, she wasn't stabbed, she
wasn't beaten. Bad analogy and a bad argument.


The auto accident was of course a result of a truck being hit
by an RPG, damm few drivers manage to retain control in
such circumstances, similarly few boaters manage to swim ashore
after their vessel is bombed.

The analogy is accurate.

Keith

(M Power) wrote:

It wasn't clever, nor was it over my head. An IRA bombing on a boat
has nothing to do with PFC Lynch since the only thing that happened to
her was an auto accident.

The Humvee she was riding in was hit by an RPG.

How in the *hell* do you call that an "accident?"

--


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(Kevin Brooks) wrote in message . com...
(M Power) wrote in message . com...
You're comparing apples to oranges. She got into a auto accident.

She wasn't driving, and the accident occured during an ambush (hardly
your run-of-the-mill fender bender).

Who cares who was driving? She was in an accident, just as I said.


She wasn't parachuting into a hostile zone and saving a downed pilot.

Those kind of activities usually garner more than a BS.

No,they typically do not. Once in a great while they garner a SS, but
only if they kill a few bad-guys first.


That's a horrible comparison. Soldiers should not get Bronze Stars
for wrecking their vehicles.

She didn't.

Yes, she did. She got a Purple heart for being injured. She got a
POW medal for being a POW. She didn't do anything else except survive
an auto accident and get a case of amnesia. Therefore, she must be
getting her BS for the latter events. Or, she might be getting it
simply because it's bad politics as I said before, but that *couldn't"
be the reason. They would never hand out an award for reasons as bad
as that sigh of sarcasm.


There needs to be more to it than that.

There was.

No, there was not.


She was a POW and she was injured in war, therefore the POW Medal and
Purple Heart are deserved, but not the BS. Why is that so hard to
understand?

Because you are not making sense? She got the BS without a V (at least
that is the way it reads in the DoD press release); hundreds, if not
thousands, of other folks will also get the BS w/o V for even more
mundane activities. The BS without V is merely an award for
meritorious service not involving personal heroism during a period of
combat operations. It is really that simple.


You are the one that is not making sense. In the Bosnia/Kosovo
campaign, only 204 Army BS were handed out. Out of those, only 25
enlisted Army soldiers recieved one. The lowest rank being an E-8.
They only recieved these for holding extremely high levels of
responsibility, or for saving someone's life. Jessica Lynch did none
of these thngs. She got a BS for purely political reasons. She
doesn't deserve to wear it, and the BS has been watered down even more
by her receiving it. Yep, as you've said, it really is that simple.


Brooks



(B2431) wrote in message ...

Jessica Lynch did *nothing* to deserve her Bronze Star. She was
injured in a auto accident, and never fired a single round. She
deserves a Purple Heart and POW medal of course, but not a Bronze
Star, especially with a Combat "V". I have a Combat "V", and I had to
do a lot more than wreck my vehicle to get it. No, PFC Lynch didn't
do anything deserving of the BS at all. This is simple politics at
it's worst.


And just how many combat medics would you want to take combat awards away from
simply because they never fired a shot?

I will say, however, the media pay too much attention to her just as they did
with Scott Grady.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

"M Power" wrote in message
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Who cares who was driving? She was in an accident, just as I said.


An accident? You mean the Iraqis didn't intend to attack the convoy?

She was a POW and she was injured in war, therefore the POW Medal and
Purple Heart are deserved, but not the BS. Why is that so hard to
understand?

Several posts have shown how the Bronze Star and even medals for valor
are handed out indiscriminately.

Lyndon Johnson got the Silver Star for this mission:

"For gallantry in action in the vicinity of Port Moresby and Salamaua,
New Guinea on June 9, 1942. While on a mission of obtaining
information in the Southwest Pacific area, Lieutenant Commander
Johnson, in order to obtain personal knowledge of combat conditions,
volunteered as an observer on a hazardous aerial combat mission over
hostile positions in New Guinea. As our planes neared the target area
they were intercepted by eight hostile fighters. When, at this time,
the plane in which Lieutenant Commander Johnson was an observer,
developed mechanical trouble and was forced to turn back alone,
presenting a favorable target to the enemy fighters, he evidenced
marked coolness in spite of the hazards involved. His gallant action
enabled him to obtain and return with valuable information."

I have seen it creditably argued that Johnson's plane was nowhere near
the "hostile fighters". He was a tourist on that flight, not a spy for
the U.S. Navy! Crikey. Pretty Jessie deserves her Bronze far more than
LBJ deserved his Silver.

Why is that so hard to understand? Or do you find it easier to justify
bull**** medals for politicians, or officers, or men?

all the best -- Dan Ford
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Subject: PFC Lynch gets a Bronze Star?
From: Cub Driver
Date: 7/24/03 1:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time

hen, at this time,
the plane in which Lieutenant Commander Johnson was an observer,
developed mechanical trouble and was forced to turn back alone,
presenting a favorable target to the enemy fighters, he evidenced
marked coolness in spite of the

Ya mean all you gotta do is get hit by fighters and you get a SIlver Star???
Where the hell is mine?

Arthur Kramer
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