Spin

Mike

I wonder why the airlines now require 'upset' training for their
pilots after they had several high visibility accidents?

Big John

On 8 May 2004 21:24:58 -0700, (Mike) wrote:

"C J Campbell" wrote in message ...
Some airplanes, including some trainers, will not recover from a fully
developed spin. Nearly all have had to demonstrate the ability to recover
from an incipient spin, the Cirrus being a notable exception.

Spin training is of most value to instructors, and even there the practical
benefit is that it gives the instructors enough confidence to keep most of
them from always grabbing the controls away from the students.

I think it is also valuable for students who are afraid of stalls and stall
recoveries.




I believe that spin training is a must for all,students, private pilot
BFR's, and even in checkrides.
I am an aerobatic pilot and a CFI giving spin training and aerobatic
intro / courses,and think that
its a shame that my students for the private pilot are not required to
demonstrate spin recovery,
many time I feel that although the student met the FAA requirement
he/she are not 100% comfortable at the
stall spin flight regime.
It also seems ( from questioning students and reviewing training
records )that some instructors are happy to pass the stage where the
'power on stalls' are to be practiced,and in many cases finding always
good excuse not to go back and practice them again until its time for
the
final review prior to the student's check ride. and even then they
sometime compromise on the approach to stall only,
and intervene with the flight controls when the aircraft is finally
fully stalled.
As far as I know in the military you will spin aircrafts ,and be very
comfy at the departures if you ever going to fill up that left spot in
the cockpit,
even if you destine to deliver mail in a high wing single.
About the decision to remove spins from the curriculum some years
ago,they could change the minimum altitude for recovery from 1500' AGL
to 3000' and cut down on the majority of accidents occurring in spin
training.
In the end I think that the FAA is out there trying to help the
AVIATION INDUSTRY by making it a little easy on the flight
schools,examiners,and present
certificate holders,and by not 'scaring' potential students a way
after tasting a fully developed spin early in the course which I
believe could be introduced toward the end of the private pilot
course, or just mandate a spin endorsement (that is required prior the
CFI initial ride) to all aviators,and can include that in the BFRs to.

Big John wrote

I wonder why the airlines now require 'upset' training for their
pilots after they had several high visibility accidents?

Because they started hiring whimpy civilian pilots who have never
been upside-down in an aircraft.

Bob Moore

Bob Moore wrote:

Because they started hiring whimpy civilian pilots who have never
been upside-down in an aircraft.

And, as we all know, military pilots spend hours upside-down in airliners.

George Patterson
If you don't tell lies, you never have to remember what you said.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote

And, as we all know, military pilots spend hours upside-down in
airliners.

But, if we had found ourselves in that predicament, we would have
been far better prepared to deal with the situation because of our
far more comprehensive and intensive military flight training.

Bob Moore