Best Overall Motorglider available today?

Ya Know what would be / Is the ultimate Great Basin ship IMHO?
The EB 29
Kinda big at a 96' wingspan but the 68/1 LD would be nice.
I was in Ely several years ago when there were two there, one flown by a gent I think named John Bally? and his buddy. I checked those planes out, very well finished. Beautiful.
Those guys said they were very nice to fly.
Actually Bally had the 2 seat EB 28 and took my brother Mike XC in it.
I think Binder has been a leader in suppling other manufactures with complete ICE systems for a long time.
At Moriarity NM this spring Keith Essex said this plane was on his radar as his next ship, after he wore out his JS3.
Any guess's on what these go for all decked out with a metal Cobra?
Nick
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On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 8:52:22 PM UTC-4, Nicholas Kennedy wrote:
Ya Know what would be / Is the ultimate Great Basin ship IMHO?
The EB 29
Kinda big at a 96' wingspan but the 68/1 LD would be nice.
I was in Ely several years ago when there were two there, one flown by a gent I think named John Bally? and his buddy. I checked those planes out, very well finished. Beautiful.
Those guys said they were very nice to fly.
Actually Bally had the 2 seat EB 28 and took my brother Mike XC in it.
I think Binder has been a leader in suppling other manufactures with complete ICE systems for a long time.
At Moriarity NM this spring Keith Essex said this plane was on his radar as his next ship, after he wore out his JS3.
Any guess's on what these go for all decked out with a metal Cobra?
Nick
T

from a search of ras: "On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 9:23:07 AM UTC-6, krasw wrote:
- show quoted text -
PS the EB28 Edition and the EB29 are about $300,000 with trailer and
the usual equipment - neither have automatic control hookups - both gliders
are incredibly good climbers even when very heavy - the handling is superb
and they are a pleasure to fly - "

I searched on "eb29 glider price"

Tango Eight wrote on 10/12/2020 5:12 PM:
If you think there is such a thing as a quiet generator you are either indulging in wishful thinking at the expense of your neighbors or you need your hearing evaluated, or both. Maybe it doesn't matter at some uninhabitable hellhole of a soaring site, but it would sure kill the ambiance at most of the (beautiful, quiet, wonderfully suitable for tent camping) sites I frequent.

Have you listened to a Honda EU2200i? It's rated at 57dba at full output, which is variously
described as normal conversation or a refrigerator running. If you are sleeping right next to
the glider being charged, it might seem loud (haven't tried it), but a 100' away, probably not.
But, I don't support running them at night, but between 7 am and 10 pm, or similar, so there is
a quiet time at night. Based on my flying, where I typically use the ASH26E engine for just the
launch, a similar electric glider would only need an hour of charging, so easily done in the
morning while preparing for the day's flight.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1

On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 3:42:43 AM UTC+2, Dan Daly wrote:
On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 8:52:22 PM UTC-4, Nicholas Kennedy wrote:
Ya Know what would be / Is the ultimate Great Basin ship IMHO?
The EB 29
Kinda big at a 96' wingspan but the 68/1 LD would be nice.
I was in Ely several years ago when there were two there, one flown by a gent I think named John Bally? and his buddy. I checked those planes out, very well finished. Beautiful.
Those guys said they were very nice to fly.
Actually Bally had the 2 seat EB 28 and took my brother Mike XC in it.
I think Binder has been a leader in suppling other manufactures with complete ICE systems for a long time.
At Moriarity NM this spring Keith Essex said this plane was on his radar as his next ship, after he wore out his JS3.
Any guess's on what these go for all decked out with a metal Cobra?
Nick
T
from a search of ras: "On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 9:23:07 AM UTC-6, krasw wrote:
- show quoted text -
PS the EB28 Edition and the EB29 are about $300,000 with trailer and
the usual equipment - neither have automatic control hookups - both gliders
are incredibly good climbers even when very heavy - the handling is superb
and they are a pleasure to fly - "

I searched on "eb29 glider price"

Last I heard the price was nearer 400k all in.
They do make an EB29E though with an electric engine and allegedly 3000m of climb. It can't take the new R wings though.
The best electric glider I ever flew was the Arcus E. I wish the concept had been developed further. Some newer/higher density batteries, and a few more evolutions of the Lange control systems would be the ultimate system in my opinion.

It's not about "loud", Eric, it's about "peace and quiet".

On a still morning at New Castle, anyone with decent hearing will hear it at a 1/2 mile and it will not enhance the experience. At someplace like Hobbs or Ephrata, maybe one doesn't care as much.

T8

On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 12:00:02 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
Tango Eight wrote on 10/12/2020 5:12 PM:
If you think there is such a thing as a quiet generator you are either indulging in wishful thinking at the expense of your neighbors or you need your hearing evaluated, or both. Maybe it doesn't matter at some uninhabitable hellhole of a soaring site, but it would sure kill the ambiance at most of the (beautiful, quiet, wonderfully suitable for tent camping) sites I frequent.

Have you listened to a Honda EU2200i? It's rated at 57dba at full output, which is variously
described as normal conversation or a refrigerator running. If you are sleeping right next to
the glider being charged, it might seem loud (haven't tried it), but a 100' away, probably not.
But, I don't support running them at night, but between 7 am and 10 pm, or similar, so there is
a quiet time at night. Based on my flying, where I typically use the ASH26E engine for just the
launch, a similar electric glider would only need an hour of charging, so easily done in the
morning while preparing for the day's flight.
--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1

Have you listened to one? If it ran after 8 am, would it still be offensive?

You are right that it would not bother people at Ephrata, Hobbs, Parowan, Ely, or Minden, and
most of the places I fly. It's been a long time since I've been to Newcastle, so tell me: is
power available for several gliders to tie down where they could recharge from hangar outlets?
Could they be parked at one end of the tiedowns, far enough away that 57 dba generators would
not annoy people after 7 or 8 am?

Eric

Tango Eight wrote on 10/13/2020 5:14 AM:
It's not about "loud", Eric, it's about "peace and quiet".

On a still morning at New Castle, anyone with decent hearing will hear it at a 1/2 mile and it will not enhance the experience. At someplace like Hobbs or Ephrata, maybe one doesn't care as much.

T8

On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 12:00:02 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
Tango Eight wrote on 10/12/2020 5:12 PM:
If you think there is such a thing as a quiet generator you are either indulging in wishful thinking at the expense of your neighbors or you need your hearing evaluated, or both. Maybe it doesn't matter at some uninhabitable hellhole of a soaring site, but it would sure kill the ambiance at most of the (beautiful, quiet, wonderfully suitable for tent camping) sites I frequent.

Have you listened to a Honda EU2200i? It's rated at 57dba at full output, which is variously
described as normal conversation or a refrigerator running. If you are sleeping right next to
the glider being charged, it might seem loud (haven't tried it), but a 100' away, probably not.
But, I don't support running them at night, but between 7 am and 10 pm, or similar, so there is
a quiet time at night. Based on my flying, where I typically use the ASH26E engine for just the
launch, a similar electric glider would only need an hour of charging, so easily done in the
morning while preparing for the day's flight.
--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1


--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1

On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 5:52:22 PM UTC-7, Nicholas Kennedy wrote:
Ya Know what would be / Is the ultimate Great Basin ship IMHO?
The EB 29
Kinda big at a 96' wingspan but the 68/1 LD would be nice.
I was in Ely several years ago when there were two there, one flown by a gent I think named John Bally? and his buddy. I checked those planes out, very well finished. Beautiful.
Those guys said they were very nice to fly.
Actually Bally had the 2 seat EB 28 and took my brother Mike XC in it.
I think Binder has been a leader in suppling other manufactures with complete ICE systems for a long time.
At Moriarity NM this spring Keith Essex said this plane was on his radar as his next ship, after he wore out his JS3.
Any guess's on what these go for all decked out with a metal Cobra?
Nick
T

Nick, Kelvyn Flaval (KF) bought an EB29R this year. It was over $400k. He, along with Mitch Polinsky will be flying them at Ely next season. Sibylle and Ingo Andresen from Germany are Ely regulars and will probably be at Ely too. Ingo flies the 29R. Sibylle flies a 31.

Not sure how many EB29E actually exist? There was one at Sisteron
2018, the rear seat was tiny, really a one and a half seater?
It was taking aerotows, some problem with the battery charger and
smoke production? Reputed cost north of 400K€.....

On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 5:24:19 AM UTC-4, Matthew Scutter wrote:
On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 3:42:43 AM UTC+2, Dan Daly wrote:
On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 8:52:22 PM UTC-4, Nicholas Kennedy wrote:
Ya Know what would be / Is the ultimate Great Basin ship IMHO?
The EB 29
Kinda big at a 96' wingspan but the 68/1 LD would be nice.
I was in Ely several years ago when there were two there, one flown by a gent I think named John Bally? and his buddy. I checked those planes out, very well finished. Beautiful.
Those guys said they were very nice to fly.
Actually Bally had the 2 seat EB 28 and took my brother Mike XC in it.
I think Binder has been a leader in suppling other manufactures with complete ICE systems for a long time.
At Moriarity NM this spring Keith Essex said this plane was on his radar as his next ship, after he wore out his JS3.
Any guess's on what these go for all decked out with a metal Cobra?
Nick
T
from a search of ras: "On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 9:23:07 AM UTC-6, krasw wrote:
- show quoted text -
PS the EB28 Edition and the EB29 are about $300,000 with trailer and
the usual equipment - neither have automatic control hookups - both gliders
are incredibly good climbers even when very heavy - the handling is superb
and they are a pleasure to fly - "

I searched on "eb29 glider price"

Last I heard the price was nearer 400k all in.
They do make an EB29E though with an electric engine and allegedly 3000m of climb. It can't take the new R wings though.
The best electric glider I ever flew was the Arcus E. I wish the concept had been developed further. Some newer/higher density batteries, and a few more evolutions of the Lange control systems would be the ultimate system in my opinion.

By the time you bring it home it is much higher than $400k

On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 10:55:03 AM UTC-4, Craig Reinholt wrote:
On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 5:52:22 PM UTC-7, Nicholas Kennedy wrote:
Ya Know what would be / Is the ultimate Great Basin ship IMHO?
The EB 29
Kinda big at a 96' wingspan but the 68/1 LD would be nice.
I was in Ely several years ago when there were two there, one flown by a gent I think named John Bally? and his buddy. I checked those planes out, very well finished. Beautiful.
Those guys said they were very nice to fly.
Actually Bally had the 2 seat EB 28 and took my brother Mike XC in it.
I think Binder has been a leader in suppling other manufactures with complete ICE systems for a long time.
At Moriarity NM this spring Keith Essex said this plane was on his radar as his next ship, after he wore out his JS3.
Any guess's on what these go for all decked out with a metal Cobra?
Nick
T

Nick, Kelvyn Flaval (KF) bought an EB29R this year. It was over $400k. He, along with Mitch Polinsky will be flying them at Ely next season. Sibylle and Ingo Andresen from Germany are Ely regulars and will probably be at Ely too. Ingo flies the 29R. Sibylle flies a 31.

Ingo does not fly the EB29 anymore.