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Looking for 1-26E with trailer and some thoughts
Being taught to land with "no flare" did you a disservice as it requires
landing at a higher speed and, as we all know, energy is directly proportional to the square of the speed.Â* That means longer landing rolls.Â* Not necessarily bad if you have lots of space but, when that outlanding is at a short field and you don't land at the minimum speed, you might hit something at the far end. On 10/16/2020 5:37 AM, rec.aviation.soaring wrote: On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 10:55:54 AM UTC-4, ken smith wrote: Thanks for all the useful feedback. I have heard that the L33 has a weak tail boom and is prone to damage and the Std Cirrus wants to spin. Would appreciate more info on these if you have experience with them. Hi Ken, I owned an L33 for several years when I was a new pilot and I now have many flights in a Standard Cirrus. I left the L33 tied out in South Florida protected by wing and canopy covers and the horizontal stabilizer removed. Like the Standard Cirrus the L33 was not as easy to assemble as some other ships. I did not find any bad handling characteristics in the L33 and did not baby it. I was taught to always land gliders level on the main wheel with no "flare." Having trained in Blanik L23's I found the L33 comfortable, durable and fun to fly. I like the Standard Cirrus that I occasionally fly as well and it is a significantly better performer but I do seem to recall that it drops a wing sharply in a stall. The only reason I would consider a 1-26 (have only one flight) is if I was planning to leave it assembled for local flights but an L33 is a better glider for that. Stuart -- Dan, 5J |
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Looking for 1-26E with trailer and some thoughts
The problem was likely the Blanik tailwheel, which can be damaged easily in a two-point or tail
first landing. How to train pilots for two-point or tail first landings when you only have a Blanik? I never figured out how to do it in our club with our L13, so tried to compensate with ground training while they were learning, and more advice when they got their own glider. Dan Marotta wrote on 10/17/2020 8:57 AM: Being taught to land with "no flare" did you a disservice as it requires landing at a higher speed and, as we all know, energy is directly proportional to the square of the speed.* That means longer landing rolls.* Not necessarily bad if you have lots of space but, when that outlanding is at a short field and you don't land at the minimum speed, you might hit something at the far end. On 10/16/2020 5:37 AM, rec.aviation.soaring wrote: On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 10:55:54 AM UTC-4, ken smith wrote: Thanks for all the useful feedback. I have heard that the L33 has a weak tail boom and is prone to damage and the Std Cirrus wants to spin. Would appreciate more info on these if you have experience with them. Hi Ken, I owned an L33 for several years when I was a new pilot and I now have many flights in a Standard Cirrus. I left the L33 tied out in South Florida protected by wing and canopy covers and the horizontal stabilizer removed. Like the Standard Cirrus the L33 was not as easy to assemble as some other ships. I did not find any bad handling characteristics in the L33 and did not baby it. I was taught to always land gliders level on the main wheel with no "flare." Having trained in Blanik L23's I found the L33 comfortable, durable and fun to fly. I like the Standard Cirrus that I occasionally fly as well and it is a significantly better performer but I do seem to recall that it drops a wing sharply in a stall.* The only reason I would consider a 1-26 (have only one flight) is if I was planning to leave it assembled for local flights but an L33 is a better glider for that. Stuart -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me) - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1 |
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Looking for 1-26E with trailer and some thoughts
It's just not acceptable to design a glider which can not be landed at
minimum speed or to train pilots incompletely or improperly. Don't make excuses for less than the best when it comes to training. On 10/17/2020 10:33 AM, Eric Greenwell wrote: The problem was likely the Blanik tailwheel, which can be damaged easily in a two-point or tail first landing. How to train pilots for two-point or tail first landings when you only have a Blanik? I never figured out how to do it in our club with our L13, so tried to compensate with ground training while they were learning, and more advice when they got their own glider. Dan Marotta wrote on 10/17/2020 8:57 AM: Being taught to land with "no flare" did you a disservice as it requires landing at a higher speed and, as we all know, energy is directly proportional to the square of the speed.Â* That means longer landing rolls.Â* Not necessarily bad if you have lots of space but, when that outlanding is at a short field and you don't land at the minimum speed, you might hit something at the far end. On 10/16/2020 5:37 AM, rec.aviation.soaring wrote: On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 10:55:54 AM UTC-4, ken smith wrote: Thanks for all the useful feedback. I have heard that the L33 has a weak tail boom and is prone to damage and the Std Cirrus wants to spin. Would appreciate more info on these if you have experience with them. Hi Ken, I owned an L33 for several years when I was a new pilot and I now have many flights in a Standard Cirrus. I left the L33 tied out in South Florida protected by wing and canopy covers and the horizontal stabilizer removed. Like the Standard Cirrus the L33 was not as easy to assemble as some other ships. I did not find any bad handling characteristics in the L33 and did not baby it. I was taught to always land gliders level on the main wheel with no "flare." Having trained in Blanik L23's I found the L33 comfortable, durable and fun to fly. I like the Standard Cirrus that I occasionally fly as well and it is a significantly better performer but I do seem to recall that it drops a wing sharply in a stall.Â* The only reason I would consider a 1-26 (have only one flight) is if I was planning to leave it assembled for local flights but an L33 is a better glider for that. Stuart -- Dan, 5J |
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Looking for 1-26E with trailer and some thoughts
At 16:33 17 October 2020, Eric Greenwell wrote:
The problem was likely the Blanik tailwheel, which can be damaged easily in a two-point or tail-first landing. How to train pilots for two-point or tail first landings when you only have a Blanik? I never figured out how to do it in our club with our L13, so tried to compensate with ground training while they were learning, and more advice when they got their own glider. Hmmm... I went solo (in 1977) in a Blanik, having been taught to always do a "fully-held-off" landing, something which I have been keen to impress upon my own pupils as a very active instructor since 1983. I don't remember the club ever having any problems with Blanik tail gear, although I did (several years later, as club secretary) arrange for the a/c to be written off by insurers for main gear damage (from rolling across ruts hidden in long grass). (Not too difficult at the time, as I think insurers were very anxious about fatigue life of the Blanik spars!) |
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Looking for 1-26E with trailer and some thoughts
On Saturday, October 17, 2020 at 5:15:06 PM UTC-4, James Metcalfe wrote:
At 16:33 17 October 2020, Eric Greenwell wrote: The problem was likely the Blanik tailwheel, which can be damaged easily in a two-point or tail-first landing. How to train pilots for two-point or tail first landings when you only have a Blanik? I never figured out how to do it in our club with our L13, so tried to compensate with ground training while they were learning, and more advice when they got their own glider. Hmmm... I went solo (in 1977) in a Blanik, having been taught to always do a "fully-held-off" landing, something which I have been keen to impress upon my own pupils as a very active instructor since 1983. I don't remember the club ever having any problems with Blanik tail gear, although I did (several years later, as club secretary) arrange for the a/c to be written off by insurers for main gear damage (from rolling across ruts hidden in long grass). (Not too difficult at the time, as I think insurers were very anxious about fatigue life of the Blanik spars!) I don't remember the club ever having any problems with Blanik tail gear, We broke the original tail skid assembly during a youth encampment in the Netherlands. The field was dotted with rabbit holes and the tail skid hit one too many of them. It was essentially a folded piece of steel sheet with a single bolt in the front and a rubber block in the rear. We saved the encampment by fashioning a new skid from a chromed car bumper sourced from a local junk yard. Worked well and kept us going. The later version of the L13's tail skid had a spring loaded caster wheel, which drastically reduced the side-loading on the skid. Uli 'AS' |
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Looking for 1-26E with trailer and some thoughts
It was an explanation, not an excuse. Other than that minor issue, the Blanik L13 is a terrific
club glider, suitable for training (including spins) and cross-country. It can be safely tied down outdoors, and the rear seat is adequately comfortable and has good visibility out it. Dan Marotta wrote on 10/17/2020 11:07 AM: It's just not acceptable to design a glider which can not be landed at minimum speed or to train pilots incompletely or improperly. Don't make excuses for less than the best when it comes to training. On 10/17/2020 10:33 AM, Eric Greenwell wrote: The problem was likely the Blanik tailwheel, which can be damaged easily in a two-point or tail first landing. How to train pilots for two-point or tail first landings when you only have a Blanik? I never figured out how to do it in our club with our L13, so tried to compensate with ground training while they were learning, and more advice when they got their own glider. Dan Marotta wrote on 10/17/2020 8:57 AM: Being taught to land with "no flare" did you a disservice as it requires landing at a higher speed and, as we all know, energy is directly proportional to the square of the speed.* That means longer landing rolls.* Not necessarily bad if you have lots of space but, when that outlanding is at a short field and you don't land at the minimum speed, you might hit something at the far end. On 10/16/2020 5:37 AM, rec.aviation.soaring wrote: On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 10:55:54 AM UTC-4, ken smith wrote: Thanks for all the useful feedback. I have heard that the L33 has a weak tail boom and is prone to damage and the Std Cirrus wants to spin. Would appreciate more info on these if you have experience with them. Hi Ken, I owned an L33 for several years when I was a new pilot and I now have many flights in a Standard Cirrus. I left the L33 tied out in South Florida protected by wing and canopy covers and the horizontal stabilizer removed. Like the Standard Cirrus the L33 was not as easy to assemble as some other ships. I did not find any bad handling characteristics in the L33 and did not baby it. I was taught to always land gliders level on the main wheel with no "flare." Having trained in Blanik L23's I found the L33 comfortable, durable and fun to fly. I like the Standard Cirrus that I occasionally fly as well and it is a significantly better performer but I do seem to recall that it drops a wing sharply in a stall.* The only reason I would consider a 1-26 (have only one flight) is if I was planning to leave it assembled for local flights but an L33 is a better glider for that. Stuart |
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Looking for 1-26E with trailer and some thoughts
I've given a lot of rides from the back seat of an L-13...
On 10/17/2020 6:27 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote: It was an explanation, not an excuse. Other than that minor issue, the Blanik L13 is a terrific club glider, suitable for training (including spins) and cross-country. It can be safely tied down outdoors, and the rear seat is adequately comfortable and has good visibility out it. Dan Marotta wrote on 10/17/2020 11:07 AM: It's just not acceptable to design a glider which can not be landed at minimum speed or to train pilots incompletely or improperly. Don't make excuses for less than the best when it comes to training. On 10/17/2020 10:33 AM, Eric Greenwell wrote: The problem was likely the Blanik tailwheel, which can be damaged easily in a two-point or tail first landing. How to train pilots for two-point or tail first landings when you only have a Blanik? I never figured out how to do it in our club with our L13, so tried to compensate with ground training while they were learning, and more advice when they got their own glider. Dan Marotta wrote on 10/17/2020 8:57 AM: Being taught to land with "no flare" did you a disservice as it requires landing at a higher speed and, as we all know, energy is directly proportional to the square of the speed.Â* That means longer landing rolls.Â* Not necessarily bad if you have lots of space but, when that outlanding is at a short field and you don't land at the minimum speed, you might hit something at the far end. On 10/16/2020 5:37 AM, rec.aviation.soaring wrote: On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 10:55:54 AM UTC-4, ken smith wrote: Thanks for all the useful feedback. I have heard that the L33 has a weak tail boom and is prone to damage and the Std Cirrus wants to spin. Would appreciate more info on these if you have experience with them. Hi Ken, I owned an L33 for several years when I was a new pilot and I now have many flights in a Standard Cirrus. I left the L33 tied out in South Florida protected by wing and canopy covers and the horizontal stabilizer removed. Like the Standard Cirrus the L33 was not as easy to assemble as some other ships. I did not find any bad handling characteristics in the L33 and did not baby it. I was taught to always land gliders level on the main wheel with no "flare." Having trained in Blanik L23's I found the L33 comfortable, durable and fun to fly. I like the Standard Cirrus that I occasionally fly as well and it is a significantly better performer but I do seem to recall that it drops a wing sharply in a stall.Â* The only reason I would consider a 1-26 (have only one flight) is if I was planning to leave it assembled for local flights but an L33 is a better glider for that. Stuart -- Dan, 5J |
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