Lot of noise being made about Purple Hearts

Subject: Lot of noise being made about Purple Hearts
From: Ed Rasimus
Date: 8/15/2004 9:55 AM Pacific Standard Time
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On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 12:25:07 -0400, Sharky wrote:

In , Ed Rasimus wrote:


This:
"Getting wounded repeatedly indicates a serious lack of
judgement."

Is not the same as:
"Certainly some wounds are unavoidable and many folks are
wounded in situations well beyond their control. But, if you get
wounded early and often, it might indicate a failure in your training,
your skills or your common sense."

As you say "it might indicate", but then it might indicate great heroism in
the face of danger. I don't believe John Kerry's PH's make him anything
close to being a hero, but to say that a soldier wounded in battle
"indicates a serious lack of judgement" is not true. I believe that is the
problem with your overall remarks - inconsistency.

"indicates a serious lack of judgement" and "indicate a failure in
your training, your skills or your common sense." don't seem to be
particularly inconsistent.

How about, "fools rush in where angels fear to tread"?

Getting repeatedly wounded is not commendable. Getting wounded
(singular) is often unavoidable, but even then can be your own damn
fault.

Heroism, in general, is being in the right place at the wrong time and
then doing something stupid and getting away with it. I have the
greatest respect for the Silver Star, the DSC/AFC/NC, and the MOH.
Many of those awards come with an ancillary Purple Heart. Folks who
put themselves in harm's way for the defense of their nation deserve
respect even if they haven't succeeded in getting themselves wounded.

Conversely, you must understand that those of us who were then accused
of being rapists, murderers, war criminals and baby-killers might hold
a bit of a grudge against the accusers.


Men who don't have Purple Hearts are now trashing men who do. Could you
vommit?


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

I think those with the purple heart have paid a higher price for their
service than those without. That said, those with purple hearts are no
more brave than those without.

Then on an individual case there are those with PH's that are a good deal
braver than many without. Audie Murphy for example.Trashing those who have the
PH is discusting


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

I think John Kerry needs to be held fully accountable for his actions in
association with the VVAW. He disgraced himself, and brought false and
maliciously subversive charges against all those who served their country
honorably in Viet Nam. Dwelling on his less_than_stellar four month
self-serving performance as a Ltjg is not going to give us the BIG picture
on this guy. And the big picture of Citizen John Kerry is not pretty.


Purely politically motivated bull****.
How many PH's and Silver Stars do you have?


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: Lot of noise being made about Purple Hearts
From:
Date: 8/15/2004 12:32 PM Pacific Standard Time
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It hardly matters. It must one be of the most stupid statements
made from an educated person yet on this NG.



It is the bitter jealousy that someone who doesn't have that award feels for
someone who does. I came through WW II without a scratch. I don't have a Purple
Heart but many of the men I flew with do. And to suggest that these men were
somehow deficient in thier abilities or profesionalism is both idiotic and
outragious.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

ArtKramr wrote:

It is the bitter jealousy that someone who doesn't have that award feels
for
someone who does.

You're either a masochist or an idiot to be envious of a PH winner.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

On 16 Aug 2004 01:45:42 GMT, BUFDRVR wrote:

ArtKramr wrote:

It is the bitter jealousy that someone who doesn't have that award feels
for
someone who does.

You're either a masochist or an idiot to be envious of a PH winner.

Are Purple Hearts won? I didn't know it was a competition! g

--

-Jeff B. (making light of one of his pet peeves)
yeff at erols dot com

Subject: Lot of noise being made about Purple Hearts
From: Yeff
Date: 8/15/2004 7:15 PM Pacific Standard Time
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On 16 Aug 2004 01:45:42 GMT, BUFDRVR wrote:

ArtKramr wrote:

It is the bitter jealousy that someone who doesn't have that award feels
for
someone who does.

You're either a masochist or an idiot to be envious of a PH winner.

Are Purple Hearts won? I didn't know it was a competition! g



It's not. The competition is not to get one then be jealous of those who have
one. It is a badge of courage that is why PH liscence plates are issued. it is
a status symbol.awarded to those who havr seen the elephant. No desk jockeys
needed.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Jeff B wrote:

You're either a masochist or an idiot to be envious of a PH winner.

Are Purple Hearts won?

No, not really they're awarded, but "recipient" or "awardee" were too long and
awkward.

I didn't know it was a competition!

It is; to kill or injure "them" before they can do the same to you.

Jeff B. (making light of one of his pet peeves)

I'm not crazy about the term "winner" being used as well, but it was easier...


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

ArtKramr wrote:

It is a badge of courage that is why PH liscence plates are issued. it is
a status symbol.awarded to those who have seen the elephant.

And been kicked or bitten by him....


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

Subject: Lot of noise being made about Purple Hearts
From: (BUFDRVR)
Date: 8/15/2004 8:31 PM Pacific Standard Time
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ArtKramr wrote:

It is a badge of courage that is why PH liscence plates are issued. it is
a status symbol.awarded to those who have seen the elephant.

And been kicked or bitten by him....


BUFDRVR



War is hell.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer