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Martin Mars at Lake Elsinore #5
British Columbia's very own water bomber at work during those massive California fires. I believe we sent at least 6 or 7 dowm there. |
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Martin Mars at Lake Elsinore #5
I believe we sent at least 6 or 7 dowm there. Not of those we didn't. |
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Martin Mars at Lake Elsinore #5
On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:13:16 +0000, SHIVER ME TIMBERS wrote:
I believe we sent at least 6 or 7 dowm there. Not of those we didn't. No, you're absolutely correct. I believe that company has only 2 or 3 of them -- all that are left, AFAIK. But according to news reports, BC did send several similar aircraft, probably from other companies or the Canadian Forces. I should have been more clear on that point. Sorry! "I misspoke myself." - Richard M. Nixon SW -- The quality of our thoughts is bordered on all sides by our facility with language. -J. Michael Straczynski, author (b.1954) |
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Martin Mars at Lake Elsinore #5
According to WP, a total of 6 Martin Mars were built: The first Hawaii Mars
(lost 1947), the Marianas Mars (lost 1961), the Philippine Mars (with Coulson), the Marshall Mars (lost 1950), the Caroline Mars (lost 1962), and the second Hawaii Mars (with Coulson, the one photographed). So a total of two out of six survive, both working as firebombers for Coulson Flying Tankers. MH. |
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Martin Mars at Lake Elsinore #5
The US Navy only built about 6 of these Flying Boats at the end of World War
2. They were used on a freight and cargo run across the Pacific until the early '50's then scrapped. A BC forest company bought the remaining four of them from the scrap dealer and brought them to Victoria, B.C. in the late '50's. One was scrapped and used for parts after being damaged in a hurricane that hit Victoria and one crashed in the mid 60's fighting a fire behind Parksville, B.C.. This leaves 2 of the aircraft left. These aircraft are based in Sproat Lake near Port Alberni, B.C. They are the largest flying tankers of their type in existence. Steve "Michael Huber" wrote in message ... According to WP, a total of 6 Martin Mars were built: The first Hawaii Mars (lost 1947), the Marianas Mars (lost 1961), the Philippine Mars (with Coulson), the Marshall Mars (lost 1950), the Caroline Mars (lost 1962), and the second Hawaii Mars (with Coulson, the one photographed). So a total of two out of six survive, both working as firebombers for Coulson Flying Tankers. MH. |
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Martin Mars at Lake Elsinore #5
Square Wheels wrote:
But according to news reports, BC did send several similar aircraft, probably from other companies or the Canadian Forces. I thought that Quebec sent a couple of the Canadair 215 ( radial ) or 415 ( turboprop ). But an interesting curious question based on your comments. Does the Canadian Forces have fire fighting aircraft. I wasn't aware that they did.... but what do I know. I should have been more clear on that point. Oh I was just having a little fun too. I can't remember just how many of the Martin Mars were built but it was a small number I'm sure. And I'm sure some kind sole will place the answer here... |
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Martin Mars at Lake Elsinore #5
On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:09:09 +0000, SHIVER ME TIMBERS wrote:
Square Wheels wrote: But according to news reports, BC did send several similar aircraft, probably from other companies or the Canadian Forces. I thought that Quebec sent a couple of the Canadair 215 ( radial ) or 415 ( turboprop ). But an interesting curious question based on your comments. Does the Canadian Forces have fire fighting aircraft. I wasn't aware that they did.... but what do I know. More than I do likely; I'm not an 'aircraft-guy', I just like looking at the pix and learning whatever I can.... My best friend was a commercial pilot until he developed pigmentary glaucoma, a friend and colleague is a commercial pilot and has written several books on aircraft and aircraft incidents, and my cousin was a highly-decorated fighter pilot in Viet Nam, so I definitely have an interest, just no particular talent for understanding it all that well...... But, I digress. I was certain I had seen nice CF-looking gray cargo-type planes dumping borate and water on forest fires here, but evidently not. I think they should know he http://www.forces.ca/v3/engraph/jobs...&bhfv=2&bhqs=1 but nary a mention.... Eh bien, liver and loin, live and learn, SW I should have been more clear on that point. Oh I was just having a little fun too. I can't remember just how many of the Martin Mars were built but it was a small number I'm sure. And I'm sure some kind sole will place the answer here... -- The quality of our thoughts is bordered on all sides by our facility with language. -J. Michael Straczynski, author (b.1954) |
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Martin Mars at Lake Elsinore #5
Square Wheels wrote:
My best friend a friend and colleague my cousin was so I definitely have an interest, Holy smokies..... with friends and family like that you should become a pilot. |
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Martin Mars at Lake Elsinore #5
One prototype and 4 production machines were produced. The prototype
and first 3 machines had Wright R-3350's and the last machine built had Pratt & Whitney R-4360's. Later, the first three production machines had R-4360's installed and were modified to the last production machine's specs. A truly majestic aircraft by any standard. Paul On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 06:20:43 -0800, Savageduck wrote: On 2007-11-06 19:35:49 -0800, Square Wheels said: On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:09:09 +0000, SHIVER ME TIMBERS wrote: Square Wheels wrote: But according to news reports, BC did send several similar aircraft, probably from other companies or the Canadian Forces. I thought that Quebec sent a couple of the Canadair 215 ( radial ) or 415 ( turboprop ). But an interesting curious question based on your comments. Does the Canadian Forces have fire fighting aircraft. I wasn't aware that they did.... but what do I know. More than I do likely; I'm not an 'aircraft-guy', I just like looking at the pix and learning whatever I can.... My best friend was a commercial pilot until he developed pigmentary glaucoma, a friend and colleague is a commercial pilot and has written several books on aircraft and aircraft incidents, and my cousin was a highly-decorated fighter pilot in Viet Nam, so I definitely have an interest, just no particular talent for understanding it all that well...... But, I digress. I was certain I had seen nice CF-looking gray cargo-type planes dumping borate and water on forest fires here, but evidently not. The Martin Mars was in California on a spot contract. L.A. County has a fire season contract to have a "Super-Scooper" in place for the entire season with options to bring in additional support. Then The California Department of Forestry (CDF) has its own fire fighting airforce stationed at various airports throughout California, that is supplemented by contracted big load tankers such as converted DC7s. Additional help comes from the US Forestry Service, Cal Fire, and the various County, Municipal and volunteer fire services and helicopters from the California National Guard. The military aircraft you saw were C130's provided by the US Defence Department after the declared state of emergency. Other military helicopters were used by the Marine Corps to fight the fires at Camp Pendleton. I think they should know he http://www.forces.ca/v3/engraph/jobs...&bhfv=2&bhqs=1 but nary a mention.... Eh bien, liver and loin, live and learn, SW I should have been more clear on that point. Oh I was just having a little fun too. I can't remember just how many of the Martin Mars were built but it was a small number I'm sure. And I'm sure some kind sole will place the answer here... |
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Martin Mars at Lake Elsinore #5
"SHIVER ME TIMBERS" wrote in message
... Square Wheels wrote: But according to news reports, BC did send several similar aircraft, probably from other companies or the Canadian Forces. I thought that Quebec sent a couple of the Canadair 215 ( radial ) or 415 ( turboprop ). But an interesting curious question based on your comments. Does the Canadian Forces have fire fighting aircraft. I wasn't aware that they did.... but what do I know. I should have been more clear on that point. Oh I was just having a little fun too. I can't remember just how many of the Martin Mars were built but it was a small number I'm sure. And I'm sure some kind sole will place the answer here... "Kind sole"? Sounds fishy to me. :^) Natural resources like the forests are a provincial responsibility under the division of powers clause in the Constitution Act, 1867, so the provinces concerned (B.C., Alberta, Ontario and Quebec) maintain fleets of firefighting aircraft or have contractors do it for them; Ontario has nine CL-415s and Quebec has eight CL-415s, two CL-215Ts and four CL-215Ps. The CF have neither the role nor any firefighting capability, unless you count Griffons hauling buckets. -- Andrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) |
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