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C J Campbell wrote: Any action taken at that moment would almost certainly have been the wrong one. As a pilot, one of the first things you learn about emergencies is to wait and see what the emergency is before deciding what, if any, action should be taken. NPR recently interviewed a U.S. Army General (retired). IIRC, it was "Stormin' Norman". When asked about this incident, he said basically the same thing. He stated that, when he was younger, he had been prone to make rapid decisions, and they were almost always inferior to those he would have made had he thought about them for a while. George Patterson If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people he gives it to. |
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Political Liberals don't believe human beings are capable of taking care of
themselves or making decisions that make any real difference in the outcome of events in their lives. Liberals feel that they, being the elite humans because of their compassionate humanitarian attitudes, education, etc., are the only humans capable of making any decisions of any relevancy whatsoever. Therefore political Liberals take more and more of the real decision making power away from the common person usurping his/her efficacy to the point where they ultimately rule the lives of everyone. Political Conservatives have an uncontrollable desire to tell people what to do under the pretext of what is right for them. They feel they have an incredibly well developed sense of what is right and what is wrong regarding themselves as well as everyone else. Consequently, Conservatives make up rule after rule and law after law in the name of universal morality. This creates a continuous and unrelenting stifling of individual rights in an effort to govern the moral and ethical lives of the populace to the point where they ultimately rule the lives of everyone. Most of what you just read is rhetoric. The only relevant words in each paragraph are the first two and the last six. Just my two cents. BillC |
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"Brian Burger" wrote in message ia.tc.ca... On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, C J Campbell wrote: "Tom S." wrote in message ... "C J Campbell" wrote in message ... To the contrary, it is the freedom OF religion amendment, not freedom FROM religion. Can't have one without the other. You certainly can. In fact, they are mutually exclusive. Freedom FROM religion amounts to a prohibition of religion, whereas freedom OF religion means that anyone can worship who, what, or how they wish, or not at all if it suits them. Errr... the last part of your sentence ("...or not at all...") IS freedom from religion, isn't it? IE you can choose to be free from religion, while other people can choose to practice whatever religion they want. BINGO!!! They aren't mutually exclusive, the larger one (freedom of...) should automatically include the detailed one (freedom from...). ....depending on how you hold. You can't have freedom of religion unless you correspondingly have freedom FROM it as well. That's what a secular republic is all about, though the US was the first (and probably the only one) in history, America's New Secular Order (Novus Ordo Seclorem). Where it gets complicated, of course, is where someone else's religion invades public life. "In God We Trust", and stuff like that... I'm not going to go there right now, it's even MORE off topic that we already are... See above. |
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"Earl Grieda" wrote in message nk.net... "Tom S." wrote in message ... "James Robinson" wrote in message ... Wdtabor wrote: And the "liberal" ones, Soviet, China, Korea, Cuba, have slaughtered more than Germany could ever hope to. Spin that!! No need to. You already have done it. Care to elaborate on that? |
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"Corky Scott" wrote in message ... On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:01:18 -0700, "Tom S." wrote: His smooth assured and decisive reaction? He sat there stunned for 8 minutes on camera until someone came and hustled him out of the classroom. Wow!!! You're a pilot AND a mindreader!! You're one for two. Well, if you think (apparently) he was stunned into paralysis, you must be a mindreader...(i.e., knowing what was going through his head)... |
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What is "liberal" about Kerry
supporters that trash storefronts and beat Bush supporters up? How is their behavior any different from that of thugs in 1935? The reason a lot of people "support" Kerry is because he is not Bush and he is the best shot at getting Bush out. They do not necessarily actually support Kerry and his ideas. Another case of not voting "for" someone but voting "against" someone else. I strongly suspect that who you call "Kerry supporters" are in fact part of the anti-Bush crowd. I'm quite sure Kerry would treat such hooligans pretty severely (as others have pointed out, the differences between the parties here is actually small). Myself? I am strongly biased against whoever is in power. They bear the burden of proof of what they have done - their accomplishments. I am vastly unimpressed by the current administration: the deception, the secrecy, the control and manipulation, the intrusion of the Church into politics, the poor economic performance, the corruption, the list goes on and on. I don't know if Kerry would do any better but I would rather he and his administration have the chance than continue on what to me seems like a very bad path. Remember also that the Republicans had majorities across the government these past 4 years so if ever there they had the opportunity to show their mettle this was it and to me it looks pretty obvious their performance was poor *at best*. I would never accept such screwed-up leadership in a corporation I had interest in, so why should I in the country I live in? If Kerry gets in, I will be just or even more critical of his administration's performance. The bigger the mess (and it seems to be getting worse rather than better), the higher my expectations are of the administration of the most powerful country on the planet. Do I think we are better off than we were 4 years ago? No. Does the current administration seem to have a clear plan to improve things? No. Therefore, time for change. Just my humble opinion. |
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"Ash Wyllie" wrote in message ... Martin Hotze opined "Ash Wyllie" wrote: Aren't we clever? We let other idio^W^Wour allies pay for it, so we don't have 10% of our population in poverty. That is a good plan, right up until someone stops providing your security. Then you start having a problem. Luckily you have 10.6% of your population unemployed, Austria: 4.2% EU: 9% (in German http://www.wirtschaftsblatt.at/cgi-b...e.pl?id=362324 http://tinyurl.com/585b7 |
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"BillC85" wrote in message ... Political Liberals don't believe human beings are capable of taking care of themselves or making decisions that make any real difference in the outcome of events in their lives. Liberals feel that they, being the elite humans because of their compassionate humanitarian attitudes, education, etc., are the only humans capable of making any decisions of any relevancy whatsoever. Therefore political Liberals take more and more of the real decision making power away from the common person usurping his/her efficacy to the point where they ultimately rule the lives of everyone. Political Conservatives have an uncontrollable desire to tell people what to do under the pretext of what is right for them. They feel they have an incredibly well developed sense of what is right and what is wrong regarding themselves as well as everyone else. Consequently, Conservatives make up rule after rule and law after law in the name of universal morality. This creates a continuous and unrelenting stifling of individual rights in an effort to govern the moral and ethical lives of the populace to the point where they ultimately rule the lives of everyone. Most of what you just read is rhetoric. The only relevant words in each paragraph are the first two and the last six. Just my two cents. BillC Clever. I'll mod you up one. |
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BillC85 wrote:
Just my two cents. Sigh too true. But it wasn't always this way! Once upon a time, a "political conservative" would have been apalled at the notions expounded by religious zealots. Today, these terms of come to be hopelessly intertwined. Annoying. Similarly, once upon a time "democracy" was a liberal idea. Today, "liberal" appears to carry all sorts of unrelated baggage. What we really need are better labels. I take the evolution of "conservative" more personally, I suppose, because I used to be a "conservative". But, believing as I do in small government, free trade, separation of church and state, states' rights, personal responsibility, etc. has left me label-free (and abandoned by the major party that claims to represent me). - Andrew |
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In article , James Robinson
writes: Fascism, and by extension Nazism, are clearly right wing philosophies. They cannot be characterized as being "liberal" by any stretch of the imagination. At least that is how the left thinks of it. Nope. That's how the dictionary thinks of it. Fascism comes in a number of flavors, but the key elements a An authoritarian power structure A collectivist economy (either socialism or feudalism will do) Expansionist foreign policy A central ethnic, religious or nationalist identity The first two elements require supremacy of the collective over the individual, which is why fascist regimes rise from democracies but not from republics. The the extent we stray from our Constitutional Republic toward a democracy, we risk becoming a fascist state. -- Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS PP-ASEL Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG |
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