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"Blanche" wrote in message ... Shiver Me Timbers wrote: kontiki wrote: Why not stop these terrorist people from getting into the country in the first place? The above comment you made is so vague and generic as to defy description. So why don't you come back to the group and specifically tell us all just exactly you would do to stop any terrorist from getting into your country in the first place. Doncha just love people who post anonymously? The statement is not vague and generic. It's right on point! How do we fix it? We've known for years how to fix it, but it requires multiple US Gov. organizations to cooperate. 1) Identifying visitors to the US. On a student visa? Then it's the school's responsibility to track the student. When a student enrolls at a college or university, they are required to provide the visa information (at least at all the schools I know of). The visa expired? The school is responsible for a) expelling the student and b) immediately informing INS. Which then c) has the responsibility of tracking down this person in a population of over 300 million. I suppose you could set up checkpoints throughout the US where you would be forced to present your documents. Papers, please? 2) Same process for trade/flight/whatever school. Drastic? Yup. But remember, the folks on 911 were all on expired visas. 3) Here for tourist reasons? When I visit a foreign country, even the hotel wants my passport. Why not here? 4) Here for business reasons? See #3. So, Mr. Kontiki. Our latest audit shows that you have unaccounted for sales of $350.22. Are you certain that you cannot remember what this was? Perhaps if we talk to your family it will help you to remember. |
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"Blanche" wrote in message 3) Here for tourist reasons? When I visit a foreign country, even the hotel wants my passport. Why not here? What do these hotels do for their own citizens? And how do you tell a foreigner from a citizen in this country? |
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message ... "Blanche" wrote in message 3) Here for tourist reasons? When I visit a foreign country, even the hotel wants my passport. Why not here? What do these hotels do for their own citizens? And how do you tell a foreigner from a citizen in this country? Actually, it's an anachronism. I haven't been asked for my passport of late even at the borders (and sometimes not even then). The last time I had to show my passport to a hotel was over 15 years ago and that was in Japan. |
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Blanche wrote: The visa expired? The school is responsible for a) expelling the student and b) immediately informing INS. A visa allows one to enter the country. You do not have to leave when it expires. Once you're in the country, the INS tells you how long you can stay. George Patterson If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have been looking for it. |
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Cub Driver wrote: I don't have any opinion on who takes the photo. It's a once-in-a-lifetime hassle. Betcha it eventually becomes a once every two years hassle. George Patterson If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have been looking for it. |
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"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ... Blanche wrote: The visa expired? The school is responsible for a) expelling the student and b) immediately informing INS. A visa allows one to enter the country. You do not have to leave when it expires. Once you're in the country, the INS tells you how long you can stay. Further, a student visa doesn't expire as long as the student is enrolled and making progress towards their course of study. They've got 60 days after they finish to get out (or make other arrangements). So it's not that you can be studying and have a student visa expire, it's because you stop studying that the terms of your entry under that visa becomes invalid. It's actually the schools completion of the "certificate of eligibility" that lets you be in the country on the visa. |
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"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ... Cub Driver wrote: I don't have any opinion on who takes the photo. It's a once-in-a-lifetime hassle. Betcha it eventually becomes a once every two years hassle. Gee, even passports are good for ten years. My driver's license picture is going about to be renewed for another 5 (it's about 6 years old now). -Ron |
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Blanche wrote:
Doncha just love people who post anonymously? The statement is not vague and generic. It's right on point! Thank You. What a breath of fresh air. Now I don't feel like a voice in the wilderness of political correctness. ) |
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C J Campbell wrote:
So, Mr. Kontiki. Our latest audit shows that you have unaccounted for sales of $350.22. Are you certain that you cannot remember what this was? Perhaps if we talk to your family it will help you to remember. You are carrying this to a ridiculous extreme. We already have immigration laws that would suffice but they are worthless unless enforced. Most of the 9-11 hijackers were in clear violation of their visas but no one was checking on them. There are NOT 300 million visa holders in the US. If there is insufficient resources for the US Gov. to check on the ones that are issued then there should be an immediate moratorium and the further issuance of visas until the problem is addressed. This has not been done and apparently won't. Instead... we will require picture ID's on everyone and you will have to renew them periodically. And of course we WILL require a lot of people and infrastructure to "check" these IDs.... and of course arrest them if they don't have them. |
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Ron Natalie wrote: "G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ... Cub Driver wrote: I don't have any opinion on who takes the photo. It's a once-in-a-lifetime hassle. Betcha it eventually becomes a once every two years hassle. Gee, even passports are good for ten years. My driver's license picture is going about to be renewed for another 5 (it's about 6 years old now). Yep, but as others have pointed out, it would be logical to have the AME provide the photo, since you're going to be seeing one every two or three years. Betcha they just link it to the medical certificate. George Patterson If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have been looking for it. |
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