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  #31  
Old September 24th 04, 04:14 PM
C J Campbell
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"Blanche" wrote in message
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Shiver Me Timbers wrote:
kontiki wrote:


Why not stop these terrorist people from getting into
the country in the first place?


The above comment you made is so vague and generic as to defy
description.

So why don't you come back to the group and specifically tell us all
just exactly you would do to stop any terrorist from getting into
your country in the first place.


Doncha just love people who post anonymously?

The statement is not vague and generic. It's right on point!

How do we fix it? We've known for years how to fix it, but it
requires multiple US Gov. organizations to cooperate.

1) Identifying visitors to the US. On a student visa? Then it's
the school's responsibility to track the student. When a student
enrolls at a college or university, they are required to provide
the visa information (at least at all the schools I know of).
The visa expired? The school is responsible for a) expelling the
student and b) immediately informing INS.


Which then c) has the responsibility of tracking down this person in a
population of over 300 million. I suppose you could set up checkpoints
throughout the US where you would be forced to present your documents.
Papers, please?


2) Same process for trade/flight/whatever school.

Drastic? Yup. But remember, the folks on 911 were all on expired visas.

3) Here for tourist reasons? When I visit a foreign country, even the
hotel wants my passport. Why not here?

4) Here for business reasons? See #3.


So, Mr. Kontiki. Our latest audit shows that you have unaccounted for sales
of $350.22. Are you certain that you cannot remember what this was? Perhaps
if we talk to your family it will help you to remember.


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Old September 24th 04, 04:19 PM
C J Campbell
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"Blanche" wrote in message

3) Here for tourist reasons? When I visit a foreign country, even the
hotel wants my passport. Why not here?


What do these hotels do for their own citizens? And how do you tell a
foreigner from a citizen in this country?


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Old September 24th 04, 06:16 PM
Ron Natalie
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message ...

"Blanche" wrote in message

3) Here for tourist reasons? When I visit a foreign country, even the
hotel wants my passport. Why not here?


What do these hotels do for their own citizens? And how do you tell a
foreigner from a citizen in this country?

Actually, it's an anachronism. I haven't been asked for my passport of
late even at the borders (and sometimes not even then). The last time
I had to show my passport to a hotel was over 15 years ago and that was
in Japan.

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Old September 24th 04, 06:52 PM
G.R. Patterson III
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Blanche wrote:

The visa expired? The school is responsible for a) expelling the
student and b) immediately informing INS.


A visa allows one to enter the country. You do not have to leave when it expires.
Once you're in the country, the INS tells you how long you can stay.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.
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Old September 24th 04, 07:02 PM
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Cub Driver wrote:

I don't have any opinion on who takes the photo. It's a
once-in-a-lifetime hassle.


Betcha it eventually becomes a once every two years hassle.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.
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Old September 24th 04, 07:07 PM
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"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ...


Blanche wrote:

The visa expired? The school is responsible for a) expelling the
student and b) immediately informing INS.


A visa allows one to enter the country. You do not have to leave when it expires.
Once you're in the country, the INS tells you how long you can stay.

Further, a student visa doesn't expire as long as the student is enrolled and making
progress towards their course of study. They've got 60 days after they finish to
get out (or make other arrangements). So it's not that you can be studying and have
a student visa expire, it's because you stop studying that the terms of your entry under
that visa becomes invalid. It's actually the schools completion of the "certificate of
eligibility" that lets you be in the country on the visa.

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Old September 24th 04, 07:09 PM
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"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ...


Cub Driver wrote:

I don't have any opinion on who takes the photo. It's a
once-in-a-lifetime hassle.


Betcha it eventually becomes a once every two years hassle.


Gee, even passports are good for ten years. My driver's license picture
is going about to be renewed for another 5 (it's about 6 years old now).

-Ron

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Old September 24th 04, 07:16 PM
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Blanche wrote:

Doncha just love people who post anonymously?

The statement is not vague and generic. It's right on point!


Thank You. What a breath of fresh air. Now I don't feel like a voice in the
wilderness of political correctness. )

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Old September 24th 04, 07:26 PM
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C J Campbell wrote:

So, Mr. Kontiki. Our latest audit shows that you have unaccounted for sales
of $350.22. Are you certain that you cannot remember what this was? Perhaps
if we talk to your family it will help you to remember.


You are carrying this to a ridiculous extreme. We already have immigration laws
that would suffice but they are worthless unless enforced. Most of the 9-11
hijackers were in clear violation of their visas but no one was checking on
them. There are NOT 300 million visa holders in the US. If there is insufficient
resources for the US Gov. to check on the ones that are issued then there should
be an immediate moratorium and the further issuance of visas until the problem
is addressed. This has not been done and apparently won't.

Instead... we will require picture ID's on everyone and you will have to renew
them periodically. And of course we WILL require a lot of people and infrastructure
to "check" these IDs.... and of course arrest them if they don't have them.


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Old September 24th 04, 07:31 PM
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Ron Natalie wrote:

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ...


Cub Driver wrote:

I don't have any opinion on who takes the photo. It's a
once-in-a-lifetime hassle.


Betcha it eventually becomes a once every two years hassle.


Gee, even passports are good for ten years. My driver's license picture
is going about to be renewed for another 5 (it's about 6 years old now).


Yep, but as others have pointed out, it would be logical to have the AME provide the
photo, since you're going to be seeing one every two or three years. Betcha they just
link it to the medical certificate.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.
 




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