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Red Bull Air Races in Detroit
Anyone else planning to attend?
We saw the Red Bull Air Races in Reno, back in '04, and were blown away by them. Rather than race against other planes, these are timed races over a closed (very difficult, often bizarre) course. See http://www.redbullairrace.com/news.php?lang=en for videos and race course descriptions. Detroit is their only Midwestern appearance, and we've got our hotel rooms and tickets reserved. We're planning to meet several other folks who are flying in from throughout the Midwest, and anticipate a great weekend. (Keeping our fingers crossed for good weather!) I'd be interested in the opinions of those who have seen both head-to-head racing (ala the Reno Air Races) and Red Bull-style closed course races. I personally have enjoyed both styles, but the Red Bull style has the advantage of keeping the action right in front of the audience. Regarding difficulty, Dudley, you've been involved in this sort of thing over the years -- which, in your opinion, is the more difficult style of race? -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Red Bull Air Races in Detroit
Jay Honeck wrote:
Anyone else planning to attend? We saw the Red Bull Air Races in Reno, back in '04, and were blown away by them. Rather than race against other planes, these are timed races over a closed (very difficult, often bizarre) course. See http://www.redbullairrace.com/news.php?lang=en for videos and race course descriptions. Detroit is their only Midwestern appearance, and we've got our hotel rooms and tickets reserved. We're planning to meet several other folks who are flying in from throughout the Midwest, and anticipate a great weekend. (Keeping our fingers crossed for good weather!) I'd be interested in the opinions of those who have seen both head-to-head racing (ala the Reno Air Races) and Red Bull-style closed course races. I personally have enjoyed both styles, but the Red Bull style has the advantage of keeping the action right in front of the audience. Regarding difficulty, Dudley, you've been involved in this sort of thing over the years -- which, in your opinion, is the more difficult style of race? Both are difficult but I'd give the edge to the Red Bull pilots, in my opinion, some of the finest in the world. Handling a heavy prop fighter flat out at low altitude is extremely difficult as that relates to rolling in on the pylons. The airspeeds are well above corner velocity for each type so turn rate and radius are g limited on the pilot's ability to take it or the limit load factor whichever occurs first. Structurally the airplane can be over g'd easily so it's a trade off with what you can take pilot wise against the max g available out to the limit load factor. Done correctly, normal racing turns are extremely smooth and led with great finesse. In this respect it's quite similar to Indy racing. I've never done the Red Bull, but we have several RB pilots in our workgroup. Just from watching their films, considering the sensitivity of their aircraft vs where they put their airplanes on the course and what they do to position them there, these pilots have my greatest respect. -- Dudley Henriques |
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I've never done the Red Bull, but we have several RB pilots in our
workgroup. Just from watching their films, considering the sensitivity of their aircraft vs where they put their airplanes on the course and what they do to position them there, these pilots have my greatest respect. What amazes me is how they can run a complicated course, performing multiple maneuvers at high speed/high G, and end up being separated by mere seconds, both from others and from their own times. Talk about consistency! I really hope Detroit is up to the task of hosting this event. I know they've fixed up the riverfront area and all, but we'll be landing at Ypsilanti and renting a car, which means driving into downtown. My knowledge-base of gang symbols is twenty years out of date, and (unlike Baghdad) I probably can't get a military escort through areas controlled by the insurgents. {;-0 -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:t4ZSj.93803$TT4.18710@attbi_s22: I've never done the Red Bull, but we have several RB pilots in our workgroup. Just from watching their films, considering the sensitivity of their aircraft vs where they put their airplanes on the course and what they do to position them there, these pilots have my greatest respect. What amazes me is how they can run a complicated course, performing multiple maneuvers at high speed/high G, and end up being separated by mere seconds, both from others and from their own times. Of course it does. YOu have no imagination. Bertie |
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Red Bull Air Races in Detroit
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:t4ZSj.93803$TT4.18710@attbi_s22... ... I really hope Detroit is up to the task of hosting this event. I know they've fixed up the riverfront area and all, but we'll be landing at Ypsilanti and renting a car, which means driving into downtown. My knowledge-base of gang symbols is twenty years out of date, and (unlike Baghdad) I probably can't get a military escort through areas controlled by the insurgents. It ain't like you're going to New York City or some place like that. -- Geoff The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate. |
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Red Bull Air Races in Detroit
Jay Honeck wrote:
Anyone else planning to attend? Detroit is their only Midwestern appearance, and we've got our hotel rooms and tickets reserved. We're planning to meet several other folks who are flying in from throughout the Midwest, and anticipate a great weekend. (Keeping our fingers crossed for good weather!) Jay, Uh...my advice is to know exactly where you are going and how to get there when in Detroit. Don't get lost. Don't ever wander aimlessly. Oh, and take some time for some saganaki at Pegasus in GreekTown not far from the waterfront. -- Message posted via AviationKB.com http://www.aviationkb.com/Uwe/Forums...ation/200805/1 |
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"Kloudy via AviationKB.com" u33403@uwe wrote in message
news:838e912b5e416@uwe... Jay Honeck wrote: ... Uh...my advice is to know exactly where you are going and how to get there when in Detroit. Don't get lost. Don't ever wander aimlessly. Why not? Downtown Detroit really isn't some place to be afraid of. If you are afraid of being in a "big city" you can watch from Windsor Ontario. -- Geoff The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate. |
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Red Bull Air Races in Detroit
Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe wrote:
... Uh...my advice is to know exactly where you are going and how to get there when in Detroit. Don't get lost. Don't ever wander aimlessly. Why not? Downtown Detroit really isn't some place to be afraid of. If you are afraid of being in a "big city" you can watch from Windsor Ontario. I don't advocate being fearful. Lived in that city 25+ years and yes downtown is a place in which to be cautious. not afraid...just cautious. -- Message posted via AviationKB.com http://www.aviationkb.com/Uwe/Forums...ation/200805/1 |
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Red Bull Air Races in Detroit
Just to give you all an update. I have lived Downtown for the last 5
years. Its not like it used to be. The actual downtown has a lower crime rate that any of the outlying subdivisions. So PLEASE go and enjoy yourself. You can take the people mover (our version of an L train) all around downtown for .50 a ride. There are restaurants at almost every stop. I walk around all the time and feel as safe as can be. But of course as aleways be cautious Thanks for the update. Any advice on getting from Ypsilanti to our hotel (and the races) downtown? -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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