IFR Refresher info?

When I hired on in Wichita about 30 years ago, I had done
flight training in my home state of Illinois, but also in
Texas and Oklahoma. I had no problem adjusting to flying in
all kinds of winds. But they told me the guy they had hired
earlier the same year was from Florida, after a week or two,
he basically fled screaming about the wind.

But it is understandable, Here in Wichita, it can be
blowing 40-60 mph and no storms within hundreds of miles.
In Florida, if the wind is blowing above 15, it means a
hurricane is approaching.


"john hawkins" wrote in message
et...
|I got my PPL in Florida and a few years later moved to
Texas. When I got my
| first checkout in TX it was blowing 25 Knts. I was
astounded that anyone
| would fly in such winds. After a year of Texas I returned
to Florida, I
| was amazed at how pilots were scared of a slightly breezy
day.
|
| Having run out of money and time My IFR currency of
course evapoarted. I
| have since been using Microsoft Simulator to get my head
back in thegame. It
| really helps even it it is not loggable.
|
| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| ...
| Very true. I know there are many CFIs who are not
| comfortable in IMC and many others who will not do IR
dual
| in IMC. Winds scare many pilots, including CFIs. It
may
| not be comfortable to fly in 30 knot winds below 5,000,
but
| even on those days when it fcst to be calm, the wind can
| blow up.
| We trained in winds that happened, even flying BE23-24
in
| winds up to 40 knots. The Cessna schools did the same,
in
| Kansas and Oklahoma, we routinely soloed students as
long as
| the winds were not greater than 25 knots or gust spread
10
| knots and x-winds were within the range in which we had
| trained.
| Many times I can recall taking off in a Skipper with
winds
| down the runway at 10 knots and returning 30 minutes
later
| with winds at 40 kts at 45°. If the CFI won't fly in
the
| "difficult" weather because of comfort [or fear] how
will
| the student ever learn how to recover when the weather
is
| not as fcst.
|
| Do they still offer 737 VFR only type ratings?
|
|
|
| "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
|
ups.com...
| | On Oct 3, 5:11 pm, "Jim Macklin"
| | wrote:
| | The AOPA has some stuff on recurrent training
currency.
| |
| | The IR is detail and if you don't use it you lose it
| fast.
| | The currency requirement is 6 months and you must do
an
| ICC
| | after a year, but that may be enough for a 6,000
pilot
| who
| | flies almost daily. But it is very inadequate for
the
| | private pilot who just go the rating and forgot
about
| | recurrent daily training.
| |
| | Sadly, in my experience as a CFII, any pilot who gets
his
| IR ticket
| | and then does not activly use it for the first couple
of
| years will
| | never feel comfortable in the clouds and will not use
the
| rating. This
| | is why I honestly believe that the IR should not be
done
| by everyone.
| | Too often I think the IR is used as an "upsale" by
CFII's
| for business
| | without looking at the actual value that pilots will
get
| from it. If
| | you just want to become a better VFR pilot there are
lots
| of less
| | expensive, more fun things to do (sea , multi ,
tailwheel,
| 737 type
| | rating , etc)
| |
| | -Robert, CFII
| |
|
|
|
|

I like the winds, gusty and wandering, it makes you work, if
it is flyable, a few bumps are just part of the ride.


"Bonehenge (B A R R Y)"
wrote in message
...
| On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:16:44 GMT, "john hawkins"
| wrote:
|
| I got my PPL in Florida and a few years later moved to
Texas. When I got my
| first checkout in TX it was blowing 25 Knts. I was
astounded that anyone
| would fly in such winds.
|
| It depends on where the winds are. A 25 knot headwind
makes for a
| nice touchdown or fast liftoff! G
|
| Also, steady is far different than gusts. I'd rather land
in 20
| steady than 5G20.

On Oct 7, 3:44 pm, "Bonehenge (B A R R Y)"
wrote:
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:16:44 GMT, "john hawkins"

wrote:
I got my PPL in Florida and a few years later moved to Texas. When I got my
first checkout in TX it was blowing 25 Knts. I was astounded that anyone
would fly in such winds.

It depends on where the winds are. A 25 knot headwind makes for a
nice touchdown or fast liftoff! G

I've never seen winds at 25 knots that were not gusty though. I do
know a CFI who took off in a C-152, then landed back on the numbers w/
o ever changing heading (and he didn't fly around the earth first).

-Robert

Yes, but landing while rolling backwards is hard. But maybe
that is why Cessna build the Omni-Vision rear window
The little mirror is not for seeing traffic or runways, or
even enemy aircraft on your six, but does work well to see
your student's face, even when they are under the hood.
Helps watch their scan and detect air sickness.

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
ups.com...
| On Oct 7, 3:44 pm, "Bonehenge (B A R R Y)"
| wrote:
| On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:16:44 GMT, "john hawkins"
|
| wrote:
| I got my PPL in Florida and a few years later moved to
Texas. When I got my
| first checkout in TX it was blowing 25 Knts. I was
astounded that anyone
| would fly in such winds.
|
| It depends on where the winds are. A 25 knot headwind
makes for a
| nice touchdown or fast liftoff! G
|
| I've never seen winds at 25 knots that were not gusty
though. I do
| know a CFI who took off in a C-152, then landed back on
the numbers w/
| o ever changing heading (and he didn't fly around the
earth first).
|
| -Robert
|

On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 09:24:20 -0700, "Robert M. Gary"
wrote:

I've never seen winds at 25 knots that were not gusty though.

On the rare occasions I see them steady, they're in coastal or island
locations.

I do
know a CFI who took off in a C-152, then landed back on the numbers w/
o ever changing heading (and he didn't fly around the earth first).

That's funny. I would have loved to have seen it. We used to do that
with r/c's, and I've heard of it done full scale, but I've never been
lucky enough to witness it.

Ever see a Helio Courier land in a strong breeze. At light
weights they can fly at about 20 knots. Even at full gross
they don't need more than 40 knots to get off the ground.


"Bonehenge (B A R R Y)"
wrote in message
...
| On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 09:24:20 -0700, "Robert M. Gary"
| wrote:
|
| I've never seen winds at 25 knots that were not gusty
though.
|
| On the rare occasions I see them steady, they're in
coastal or island
| locations.
|
| I do
| know a CFI who took off in a C-152, then landed back on
the numbers w/
| o ever changing heading (and he didn't fly around the
earth first).
|
| That's funny. I would have loved to have seen it. We
used to do that
| with r/c's, and I've heard of it done full scale, but I've
never been
| lucky enough to witness it.

"Robert M. Gary" wrote:

I do know a CFI who took off in a C-152, then landed back on the
numbers w/o ever changing heading (and he didn't fly around the earth
first).

Is that good for a tail-wheel checkout as well? :-)

No, but it will get you a hit on YouTube.


"Mike Adams" wrote in message
...
| "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
|
| I do know a CFI who took off in a C-152, then landed
back on the
| numbers w/o ever changing heading (and he didn't fly
around the earth
| first).
|
| Is that good for a tail-wheel checkout as well? :-)