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Rental policy
I received my private last September, and have rented a Cessna 172 from the
same place I completed my training at ever since. Recently, I've been looking for a new place to rent because the 172's at my current FBO are old and always down because something broke yet again. I went to a different FBO yesterday to ask about getting checked out in a plane there. Initially they looked like a great place to rent from... at least until I took a look at their rental policies and procedures. I really didn't like one of them, but am wondering if it is "just me" or if it is a normal policy with most FBO's. It says "If the PIC determines that the plane needs repair before being flown, and the PIC has flown the plane away from its home location, the PIC must remain with the plane for three (3) days while the plane is being repaired. The PIC is responsible for all costs of his own lodging, food, travel expenses, etc. during this three day period. If the PIC elects to leave the plane during this three day repair period, you are responsible for the smaller of $5 per mile or $1000 for an FBO staff member to retreive the plane." So, basically, if I fly from Long Beach to Santa Barbara (class C airport), and the plane has an electrical problem to due to fault of my own, and I decide to squak the plane in Santa Barbara, I have to pay someone about $1,800 to retrieve the plane if I can't stay with it for three days while it gets repaired. Is this an outrageous policy, or is it normal? I could see that I would be responsible if I damaged the plane, or just decided to leave the plane somewhere else, but its almost like they are encouraging pilots to fly planes back home that shouldn't be flown just so they don't get stuck with a bill. Robert |
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Sounds like you could rent a car, drive home to Long Beach and return to
Santa Barbara when the plane was fixed and fly it back. Mike MU-2 "Robert" wrote in message ... I received my private last September, and have rented a Cessna 172 from the same place I completed my training at ever since. Recently, I've been looking for a new place to rent because the 172's at my current FBO are old and always down because something broke yet again. I went to a different FBO yesterday to ask about getting checked out in a plane there. Initially they looked like a great place to rent from... at least until I took a look at their rental policies and procedures. I really didn't like one of them, but am wondering if it is "just me" or if it is a normal policy with most FBO's. It says "If the PIC determines that the plane needs repair before being flown, and the PIC has flown the plane away from its home location, the PIC must remain with the plane for three (3) days while the plane is being repaired. The PIC is responsible for all costs of his own lodging, food, travel expenses, etc. during this three day period. If the PIC elects to leave the plane during this three day repair period, you are responsible for the smaller of $5 per mile or $1000 for an FBO staff member to retreive the plane." So, basically, if I fly from Long Beach to Santa Barbara (class C airport), and the plane has an electrical problem to due to fault of my own, and I decide to squak the plane in Santa Barbara, I have to pay someone about $1,800 to retrieve the plane if I can't stay with it for three days while it gets repaired. Is this an outrageous policy, or is it normal? I could see that I would be responsible if I damaged the plane, or just decided to leave the plane somewhere else, but its almost like they are encouraging pilots to fly planes back home that shouldn't be flown just so they don't get stuck with a bill. Robert |
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"Robert" writes:
I received my private last September, and have rented a Cessna 172 from the same place I completed my training at ever since. Recently, I've been looking for a new place to rent because the 172's at my current FBO are old and always down because something broke yet again. I went to a different FBO yesterday to ask about getting checked out in a plane there. Initially they looked like a great place to rent from... at least until I took a look at their rental policies and procedures. I really didn't like one of them, but am wondering if it is "just me" or if it is a normal policy with most FBO's. It says "If the PIC determines that the plane needs repair before being flown, and the PIC has flown the plane away from its home location, the PIC must remain with the plane for three (3) days while the plane is being repaired. The PIC is responsible for all costs of his own lodging, food, travel expenses, etc. during this three day period. If the PIC elects to leave the plane during this three day repair period, you are responsible for the smaller of $5 per mile or $1000 for an FBO staff member to retreive the plane." So, basically, if I fly from Long Beach to Santa Barbara (class C airport), and the plane has an electrical problem to due to fault of my own, and I decide to squak the plane in Santa Barbara, I have to pay someone about $1,800 to retrieve the plane if I can't stay with it for three days while it gets repaired. Is this an outrageous policy, or is it normal? I could see that I would be responsible if I damaged the plane, or just decided to leave the plane somewhere else, but its almost like they are encouraging pilots to fly planes back home that shouldn't be flown just so they don't get stuck with a bill. I haven't rented in a long time, but most rental FBO's I dealt with before becoming an owner discouraged (some really heavily) taking the plane to places far away for extended periods, and instead preferred that you just took day trippers. I think the biggest encouragement for me to become an owner was the crappy rentals (even a brand new, zero hours plane is a crappy rental if the FBO policies are as draconian as the one mentioned above). -jav |
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taking the plane to places far away for extended periods, and instead preferred that you just took day trippers. A couple years ago I wanted to rent the Cub for three days to go to the Sentimental Journey in Lock Haven. They had no problem with the hours (I would have put on quite a few) but wouldn't let the plane go overnight on a weekend in the summer, so as not to inconvenience students and renters. all the best -- Dan Ford email: (put Cubdriver in subject line) The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com The Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com Viva Bush! blog www.vivabush.org |
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"Robert" wrote in message
... It says "If the PIC determines that the plane needs repair before being flown, and the PIC has flown the plane away from its home location, the PIC must remain with the plane for three (3) days while the plane is being repaired. The PIC is responsible for all costs of his own lodging, food, travel expenses, etc. during this three day period. If the PIC elects to leave the plane during this three day repair period, you are responsible for the smaller of $5 per mile or $1000 for an FBO staff member to retreive the plane." It looks to me as if they've been "burnt" in the past and inserted that clause to cover themselves. Perhaps someone took off with a dodgy alternator & then declared it 'bad' in Catalina & billed them for the hotel... Anyway, that clause doesn't look as if it's been written by a lawyer - the "must remain" part seems too much like slavery & likely to be too vague to be enforceable. It shouldn't really affect you in any case. If you take off in a plane you know needs to be repaired, you are violating the FARs as well as the rental policy. Just fly legally and it won't apply to you. |
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"Tony Cox" writes:
It shouldn't really affect you in any case. If you take off in a plane you know needs to be repaired, you are violating the FARs as well as the rental policy. Just fly legally and it won't apply to you. There are rentals that don't need to be repaired? -jav |
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If you take off in a plane you know needs to be repaired,
you are violating the FARs as well as the rental policy. If anyone takes of in a plane that needs to be repaired this armchair pilot and lurker says you are dumber than a sack of hammers and a prime candidate for the darwin award. |
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Shiver Me Timbers wrote:
If you take off in a plane you know needs to be repaired, you are violating the FARs as well as the rental policy. If anyone takes of in a plane that needs to be repaired this armchair pilot and lurker says you are dumber than a sack of hammers and a prime candidate for the darwin award. That depends on the repair. Would you take off in a rental plane with a badly-fit door seal that makes a whistling noise? What about one with a U/S ADF when you're flying VFR? Neither one of those is Darwin material or a violation of regs (since the aircraft is still airworthy). All the best, David |
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"David Megginson" wrote in message le.rogers.com... Shiver Me Timbers wrote: If you take off in a plane you know needs to be repaired, you are violating the FARs as well as the rental policy. If anyone takes of in a plane that needs to be repaired this armchair pilot and lurker says you are dumber than a sack of hammers and a prime candidate for the darwin award. That depends on the repair. Would you take off in a rental plane with a badly-fit door seal that makes a whistling noise? What about one with a U/S ADF when you're flying VFR? Neither one of those is Darwin material or a violation of regs (since the aircraft is still airworthy). All the best, David What about duct tape on a load bearing structure? |
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"Shiver Me Timbers" wrote in message If you take off in a plane you know needs to be repaired, you are violating the FARs as well as the rental policy. If anyone takes of in a plane that needs to be repaired this armchair pilot and lurker says you are dumber than a sack of hammers and a prime candidate for the darwin award. My initial thought was the same, but upon re-reading it, it seems to be saying that if you take the plane to a remote location and THEN determine something is wrong, you have to stay with the plane. 'Cause if the PIC knew there was a problem before taking it out, well, he's got bigger issues than the FBO policy. But what if you fly someplace and, say, the alternator fails while you're gone? You certainly don't fly back, but the FBO doesn't want you just abandoning the plane there. Not sure it's a good policy, but I think that's what it means. -c |
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