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Old August 31st 03, 06:09 PM
Gordon
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These parts were assembled postwar into the
CS 92 (2-seater equating to the Me 262 B-1a dual control trainer - NOT a
nightfighter as some think) and the S-92 singleseat nightfighter.


#$%#&

I hate when I do that. The S-92 was a single-seat day fighter. I knew better
LOL Shows what a crappy "aviation expert" I am, eh?

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Gordon
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Old August 31st 03, 09:23 PM
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On Sun, 31 Aug 2003, Alan Minyard wrote:

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:08:29 -0700, Bill Shatzer
wrote:


Has there been a follow-on project?


Soviet Sukhoi Su-9 and Su-11.


Japanese Nakajima "Kikka".


Arguably, the Czech S.92.


The Kikka was a copy, not a follow on, and very few were produced.


The Kikka was "patterned after" the Me 262 but it was not a copy.

It was a considerably smaller aircraft for instance ('bout 8 feet
shorter in wingspand) and had several design differences including
a completely different design for the horizontal tail.

Only two Kikkas were completed but that doesn't obviate its
existance as a follow-on "project". The project was aborted
prematurely for obvious reasons but that doesn't make it less
a project.

The
Sukhoi SU-9 was a single engine, delta wing design in no way related
to the 262, while I fail to see any relationship of the SU-11 to the
Me.


My reference ("Stormbird Rising" by Hugh Morgan) has the Me 262
serving as the "pattern" for the Su-9 and the included picture
resembles nothing so much as a Me 262 with unswept wings and
tail surfaces. The Su-11 was essentially identical to the Su-9
save for the engines and the redesigned engine nacelles. The photos
of the Su-11 similarly resemble a straight-winged Me 262 with
engines nacelles on steroids.

I am unfamiliar with the S.92, and I cannot find it in any of my
references or Google. Please let me know where I can research it.


The S.92 (and its trainer version CS.92) were Czech manufactured
Me 262s constructed from spare parts and air frames which the Czechs
found themselves in possession of post-WW2. The S.92 essentially
-was- a Me 262 with few differences from the German aircraft. The
Czechs had under study several upgrades to the S.92 design but with
the post-1948 alignment with the Soviet Union, Soviet aircraft became
available to the Czech AF and further development of the Me 262/S.92
design was abandoned.


Cheers and all,



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Old August 31st 03, 10:05 PM
TJ
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Alan Minyard wrote:

The Kikka was a copy, not a follow on, and very few were produced. The
Sukhoi SU-9 was a single engine, delta wing design in no way related
to the 262, while I fail to see any relationship of the SU-11 to the
Me.

I am unfamiliar with the S.92, and I cannot find it in any of my
references or Google. Please let me know where I can research it.

Al Minyard


Al, you are thinking of the FISHPOT. The designations SU-9 and SU-11 were
1940's designations re-used. Another example was the SU-7. If you do a
Google and input SU-9 or SU-11 with Me-262 then all will become apparent.

http://www.vectorsite.net/avme2628.gif

TJ


 




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