FOI...lol... CFI oral?

On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:51:31 -0800, C J Campbell wrote:

Everything ought to look dog-eared and torn from your intense studies.

LOL!

Buy about 6 different colors of 3M Post-it tab stick on page markers and
attach about 60 of them to each book. Not only does it add a bit of
festive color to the exam room, it also gives the impression of intense
study.

:- )


--
Dallas

On Jan 4, 11:56*am, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Barry wrote:
An average amount of time for the oral is about 8 hours.

I don't know where you instruct and how large a sample you based this on, but
it's certainly not true for the CFIs I know and have trained. *One who had to
go recently with a difficult inspector from the local FSDO had an oral that
lasted about four hours, but most of the others I'm familiar with around two
hours.

Expect a lot of questions about FOI. This is one of the reasons some
choose to do the instrument instructor before the ASE instructor (to break
up a hard checkride).

But won't FOI still be covered if the instrument is the initial CFI checkride?

I recall my own oral at about two hours, but back in the stone age :-)

I'm sure most checkrides were easier before the Wright Bros.

-Robert

Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Jan 4, 11:56 am, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Barry wrote:
An average amount of time for the oral is about 8 hours.
I don't know where you instruct and how large a sample you based this on, but
it's certainly not true for the CFIs I know and have trained. One who had to
go recently with a difficult inspector from the local FSDO had an oral that
lasted about four hours, but most of the others I'm familiar with around two
hours.
Expect a lot of questions about FOI. This is one of the reasons some
choose to do the instrument instructor before the ASE instructor (to break
up a hard checkride).
But won't FOI still be covered if the instrument is the initial CFI checkride?
I recall my own oral at about two hours, but back in the stone age :-)

I'm sure most checkrides were easier before the Wright Bros.

-Robert

Ouch! ......and I took the practical flight test in my trusty
Pterodactyl 200 :-)

--
Dudley Henriques

gatt wrote:

Thanks for the advice. After reading through the Jeppeson
Instrument/Commercial text a little last night, I'm actually starting to
look forward to the challenge.


That's the attitude you need to have.

On Jan 3, 8:36*pm, "Vaughn Simon"
*Don't be nervous, be prepared. *I don't have figures, but most pass on the
first try.

Are you sure about that? I don't have the figures either, but I do
know this - recently, one of the rare local DE's who can do CFI
initial rides was in trouble because someone accused him of giving
preferential treatment to the graduates of his own school. That
preferential treatment was a 25% pass rate on the first try. I also
know very few people who got the initial CFI on the first try if you
exclude those who went to one of the schools that had examining
authority.

Michael

Are you sure about that? I don't have the figures either, but I do
know this - recently, one of the rare local DE's who can do CFI
initial rides was in trouble because someone accused him of giving
preferential treatment to the graduates of his own school. That
preferential treatment was a 25% pass rate on the first try. I also
know very few people who got the initial CFI on the first try if you
exclude those who went to one of the schools that had examining
authority.

It seems to depend a lot on the FSDO and the individual inspector. I've
trained four CFIs and all passed on the first try. Two went with a FSDO
inspector who is known to be a good guy, and two with an examiner chosen by
the FSDO. But recently another pilot (not trained by me) in our club went for
his CFI checkride and was assigned to an inspector who has a bad reputation.
It took almost all day and he failed on steep turns, of all things. He passed
the recheck a week later. Some inspectors are apparently determined to pass
almost nobody on the first try.

I think my oral was about 4 hours. Quite a bit of time on all the student
endorsements & when they come into play. I got a couple wrong, but did well
enough everywhere else. I tried to display an attitude that I certainly
didn't know everything & expected to learn during the checkride.

I agree with responses to keep answers simple unless the examiner asks for
more detail. One, you avoid the classic talking yourself into a hole. Two,
it's a real-world scenario. I've only been a CFI for a year. I've found
myself throttling back the knowledge fountain when I saw the student didn't
really need ALL that info right THEN.

Lucky for me, I'd had the same examiner for my earlier Commercial checkride.
So, he knew my abilities (or lack thereof). He also gets a lot of IFR
candidates from MY CFI, so he expected me to know my stuff if Mark had
signed me off.

If you can, try to arrange where you can "teach" a few ground classes to
real students while the CFI supervises.

"gatt" wrote in message
...

Well, I scored 96% on the Fundamentals of Instruction exam and it took me
about ten minutes, so I kinda wish I'd not have stressed on all the
psychobabble so much. I told the CATS proctor I was shooting for 100% and
he joked "Well, it's a solid fifteen-minute exam."

The Flight Instructor written looks like a thorough refresher rather than
a
tough exam, then he told me what to expect on the oral exam which
guarantees
I'll have my nose in the books for awhile. Is the oral the toughest part
of
the CFI rating?

-c

If you can, try to arrange where you can "teach" a few ground classes to
real students while the CFI supervises.

I've also found it very helpful to have the CFI candidate teach a real student
in the airplane while I sit in back and observe (obviously this is after the
candidate has flown a lot in the right seat "teaching" me). The "student" can
be a real student pilot, a non-pilot doing first lessons, or a private pilot
upgrading to the complex airplane or working on commercial maneuvers.

"Steven Barnes" wrote in message
news ...

If you can, try to arrange where you can "teach" a few ground classes to
real students while the CFI supervises.


Just teach the brother-in-law to fly. If you can teach that goof ball, you
can teach anyone (except, of course, MX).

You don't really need a CFI to surpervise...

--
Geoff
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Dudley Henriques wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
The mark of a good instructor is that he can teach anything he knows to
anyone.

When I find someone who can explain anything to Anthony, I will
campaign to make him king of all peoples everywhere.

Indeed, and with his own flag, and serfs to carry it :-))))

Geez! If I knew there was a reward, I would have never given up so easily!!