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Old October 9th 03, 12:29 AM
Sims
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As others have pointed out, it's all there on my web-site, but you
have to piece it together.

http://williams.best.vwh.net/avform.htm


Many thanks for a great page. Truly a great piece of work.

I have looked at it and found the mag var code.

I am just surprised that they vary so much depending what model is been
used.

What model is the best? And also it seems that by the poles the calculation
are somewhat wrong, is it just my imagination?

Sims


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Old October 9th 03, 02:33 AM
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"Mogens Beltoft" writes:

We use GPS receivers in our gliders, and most of them can find the wind
direction and speed automatically by detecting that you have made a full 360
degree turn (happens often for gliders when searching for thermals), and
analysing the 360 degree turn you have made for drift direction and speed.


And I'm certain that the information is used to display a wind-corrected
heading.


So which GPS receivers do this for you?

We use Pocket-Nav http://www.cambridge-aero.com/pocketNAV.htm and others.


That seems to be an application that runs on an external computing device,
not something that a GPS receiver itself provides. Interesting, but
different.

Dave
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Old October 9th 03, 03:02 AM
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Ed,

I second the compliment on your site. I have found it useful several times.

John Bell
www.cockpitgps.com



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Old October 9th 03, 03:46 AM
John Bell
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Dave,

A GPS-only unit has no way of knowing what your current heading is in the

first place.

I agree with this statement.

I haven't heard of a GPS receiver that will tell you what heading to fly or

sail to compensate for wind or current.

Neither have I.

It can tell you how much to turn to align your heading with the desired

course, but that assumes no wind or current. In practice, you'll have to
make
adjustments to that heading, while watching the cross-track error.


I agree that a GPS will not tell you an absolute heading to fly, but it will
tell you a relative heading. The GPS will give you a value of TRACK and it
will give you a value for BEARING. The idea is to adjust your heading so
that TRACK matches BEARING. Many GPS receivers have a data field called
TURN --this is just the difference between TRACK and BEARING. If the GPS
indicates a TURN of 5 degrees left, adjust your heading 5 degrees left. If
you follow TURN or match TRACK and BEARING, you should track directly to the
active waypoint.

I agree that the GPS could care less what your heading is. Example: If you
have a TRACK of 85 and a BEARING of 80, the TURN would be L5. Turn 5 left
so that TRACK matches BEARING. Let's say that you have done that and the
TRACK and BEARING are now both 80. The GPS has no idea if you are heading
065 for a left crosswind, 95 for a right crosswind, or 080 for no wind.

If you were to follow a heading to match the GPS value of BEARING, a curved
path would result from a crosswind or cross current. This is often refereed
to as homing and is considered bad technique.

For large turns the change in heading does not always match the change in
TRACK. For example, if you were flying north into a northerly wind and
turned to 090, the change in track would be more than the change in heading.
The headwind would change to a crosswind. However for small adjustments,
the change in heading is proportional to the change in track.

There is a slight variation in this technique for panel mounted aviation
receivers. The difference is that they usually do not offer TURN, but do
offer a field called Track Angle Error, TKE. TKE is the difference between
TRACK and DTK or COURSE (synonyms). TKE gets you parallel to the course as
opposed to directly to the active waypoint. In this case, cross-track error
is necessary. However by turning so that TKE is zero will result in a
constant cross-track error. It may then be necesary to adjust the heading a
little more to reduce the cross-track error to zero.

The method that you describe of adjusting your heading to manage cross track
is not incorrect. However, I thing that the ability to get an exact heading
that compensates for wind or currents by comparing the TRACK to BEARING is
one of the most powerful features that GPS has to offer aviators and
boaters.

I have more details in the navigation section of either of my online books
at www.cockpitgps.com.

--John Bell




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Old October 9th 03, 05:39 PM
Dave Martindale
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"John Bell" writes:

I agree that a GPS will not tell you an absolute heading to fly, but it will
tell you a relative heading. The GPS will give you a value of TRACK and it
will give you a value for BEARING. The idea is to adjust your heading so
that TRACK matches BEARING. Many GPS receivers have a data field called
TURN --this is just the difference between TRACK and BEARING. If the GPS
indicates a TURN of 5 degrees left, adjust your heading 5 degrees left. If
you follow TURN or match TRACK and BEARING, you should track directly to the
active waypoint.


That's correct, with a couple of caveats.

The first is that in an aircraft at least, you normally fly a heading
based on the directional gyro, since it gives you a stable reading. The
GPS TRACK doesn't reflect heading changes instantly, while the DG does.
So you maintain a heading, then see what happens to the track, then
possibly adjust the heading.

The second is that this method takes you directly to the destination,
no matter where you are now, no matter how much you've drifted off your
original course. Sometimes that's fine, but sometimes you want to
regain your originally-planned ground track (e.g. it takes you between
mountains, or avoids submerged rocks, or avoids a restricted area).
For these cases, what you really want is to look at cross-track error
(the deviation from your planned route) and get back on the planned
track.

The method that you describe of adjusting your heading to manage cross track
is not incorrect. However, I thing that the ability to get an exact heading
that compensates for wind or currents by comparing the TRACK to BEARING is
one of the most powerful features that GPS has to offer aviators and
boaters.


Why is it not correct? Keeping the cross-track error zero takes you
directly to your next waypoint, factoring in any wind or current
correction that is necessary, and it lets you follow your originally-
planned ground track. It's the best you can do. It's like following a
VOR radial, except that the virtual "VOR" can be placed anywhere (it's
just a waypoint), and the "needle deflection" vs. track error has
constant gain all along the route.

The method of matching track to bearing will also take you directly to
the destination if you never get off course. But once you do get off
course, this method takes you along a new "direct" path to the next
waypoint. This is *faster*, but it isn't always safe. Navigating to
minimize cross-track error is safer, but potentially slower. Both
result in exactly the same ground track if you never get off the planned
route. You can say that either is better than the other, depending on
circumstances. I don't see how you can say one method is "not
correct".

Dave
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Old October 9th 03, 06:50 PM
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Dave,

I actually agree with your points. In fact, many of the points that you
make are ones that I make in my chapters on navigation in both of my texts
at www.cockpitgps.com.

The only thing that I substantially disagree with you is in that I disagreed
with you in the first place. In answer to the comment: "I don't see how
you can say one method is 'not correct'." I had actually written that your
original post was "not incorrect." I apologize for the double negative, but
my intent was to emphasize that I was not contradicting your original post
so the double negative seemed appropriate in context. I feel confident in
my ability to navigate with a GPS. However, I have never bragged about my
writing abilities.

My point is that although old methods of navigation based on cross track
error are still correct, the GPS gives a unique capability to more
accurately find a very precise heading to compensate for winds and cross
currents because of its ability to sense an actual track.

I think that cross track error is a very useful and at times essential piece
of data. I see the method that you describe and the method that I describe
as being complimentary, not contradictory.

--John Bell, www.cockpitgps.com


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Old October 10th 03, 08:07 AM
Dave Martindale
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"John Bell" writes:

The only thing that I substantially disagree with you is in that I disagreed
with you in the first place. In answer to the comment: "I don't see how
you can say one method is 'not correct'." I had actually written that your
original post was "not incorrect."


Oops. I was in a hurry, and misread that as "not correct". My fault.

Dave
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Old October 11th 03, 01:55 PM
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Dave Martindale wrote:
"Mogens Beltoft" writes:

We use GPS receivers in our gliders, and most of them can find the
wind direction and speed automatically by detecting that you have
made a full 360 degree turn (happens often for gliders when
searching for thermals), and analysing the 360 degree turn you have
made for drift direction and speed.


And I'm certain that the information is used to display a
wind-corrected heading.


So which GPS receivers do this for you?

We use Pocket-Nav http://www.cambridge-aero.com/pocketNAV.htm and
others.


That seems to be an application that runs on an external computing
device, not something that a GPS receiver itself provides.
Interesting, but different.


The GPS receiver is just an standard "mouse", so NMEA data is analysed by
PocketNav to provide the information.

/Mogens


 




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