Looking for Advice..

I just graduated from high school and my dream job is to become a pilot. I have wanted to be a pilot since a very young age. I plan on attending my local community college this fall. They offer an aviation science program that is mainly a transfer program where you go for 2 years then transfer to a 4-year school for the other two. The course description says:

The Associate in Science (A.S.) degree is awarded upon completion of requirements for this program.

* Student will satisfy all requirements to earn a Private Pilot License.
* Student will satisfy all requirements to earn an Instrument Rating.
* Student will satisfy all requirements to earn a Commercial Pilot License.

The total cost of the program is $27,000. What schools could I transfer to after this? And do you guys think its worth it or should I persue a degree in something else? What is the job outlook like? Thanks.

majortom546 wrote:
I just graduated from high school and my dream job is to become a pilot.
I have wanted to be a pilot since a very young age. I plan on attending
my local community college this fall. They offer an aviation science
program that is mainly a transfer program where you go for 2 years then
transfer to a 4-year school for the other two. The course description
says:

The Associate in Science (A.S.) degree is awarded upon completion of
requirements for this program.

* Student will satisfy all requirements to earn a Private Pilot
License.
* Student will satisfy all requirements to earn an Instrument Rating.
* Student will satisfy all requirements to earn a Commercial Pilot
License.

The total cost of the program is $27,000. What schools could I transfer
to after this? And do you guys think its worth it or should I persue a
degree in something else? What is the job outlook like? Thanks.
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It has been done before - but this is possibly the toughest, unlikeliest
way to an airline job. Getting a four year degree. YES!
Getting a pilot slot in the Navy or AirForce? YES?

But if an hour of flight costs $100 and it will take you 45 hours (at
least) then that's a $5000 budget, not $27 grand

Brian W

On Jun 26, 6:28*am, Brian Whatcott wrote:
majortom546 wrote:
I just graduated from high school and my dream job is to become a pilot..
I have wanted to be a pilot since a very young age. I plan on attending
my local community college this fall. They offer an aviation science
program that is mainly a transfer program where you go for 2 years then
transfer to a 4-year school for the other two. The course description
says:

The Associate in Science (A.S.) degree is awarded upon completion of
requirements for this program.

* Student will satisfy all requirements to earn a Private Pilot
License.
* Student will satisfy all requirements to earn an Instrument Rating.
* Student will satisfy all requirements to earn a Commercial Pilot
License.

The total cost of the program is $27,000. What schools could I transfer
to after this? And do you guys think its worth it or should I persue a
degree in something else? What is the job outlook like? Thanks.

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*
*
It has been done before - but this is possibly the toughest, unlikeliest
way to an airline job. * * Getting a four year degree. YES!
Getting a pilot slot in the Navy or AirForce? YES?

But if an hour of flight costs $100 and it will take you 45 hours (at
least) then that's a $5000 budget, not $27 grand

Brian W

And not to rain on your parade (much) but if you were a major carrier
(and hiring, which they aren't) would you hire someone with military
experience (any military is better than no military) and a college
degree or someone with schooling but not that much experience? Just
to earn $25K/yr?

For most folks its more the life depicted in a recent New York Times
article:

Free registration:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/17/nyregion/17pilot.html

Excerpted:

May 17, 2009
Pilots’ Lives Defy Glamorous Stereotype
By DAVID M. HALBFINGER, MATTHEW L. WALD and CHRISTOPHER DREW

This article was reported by David M. Halbfinger, Matthew L. Wald and
Christopher Drew, and written by Mr. Halbfinger.

Alex Lapointe, a 25-year-old co-pilot for a regional airline, says he
routinely lifts off knowing he has gotten less sleep than he needs.
And once or twice a week, he says, he sees the captain next to him
struggling to stay alert.

Neil A. Weston, also 25, went $100,000 into debt to train for a co-
pilot’s job that pays him $25,000 annually. He carries sandwiches in a
cooler from his home in Dubuque, Iowa, bought his first uniform for
$400, and holds out hope of tripling his salary by moving into the
captain’s seat, then up to a major carrier. Assuming, that is, the
majors start hiring again.

Capt. Paul Nietz, 58, who recently retired from a regional airline,
said his schedule wore him down and cost him three marriages. His
workweek typically began with a 2:30 a.m. wake-up in northern Michigan
and a 6 a.m. flight to his Chicago home bases. There, he would wait
for his first assignment, a noon departure.

By the time he parked his aircraft at the last gate of the night, he
was exhausted. But he would be due back at work eight hours and 15
minutes later. “At the very most, if you’re the kind of person that
could walk into a hotel room, strip and lay down, you might get four
and a half hours of sleep,” he said. “And I was very senior. I was one
of the fortunate guys.”

The National Transportation Safety Board’s inquiry into the Feb. 12
crash of Continental Connection Flight 3407 outside Buffalo has
highlighted the operations of the nation’s regional airlines, a sector
of the aviation industry that has grown to account for half the
country’s airline flights and a quarter of its passengers.

The details of that world have surprised many Americans — the
strikingly low pay for new pilots; the rigors of flying multiple
flights, at lower altitudes and thus often in worse weather than
pilots on longer routes, while scrambling to get enough sleep; the
relative inexperience of pilots at the smaller airlines, whose
training standards are the same, but whose skills may not be.

On Jun 26, 6:28*am, Brian Whatcott wrote:

majortom546 wrote:
I just graduated from high school and my dream job is to become a pilot..
I have wanted to be a pilot since a very young age. I plan on attending
my local community college this fall. They offer an aviation science
program that is mainly a transfer program where you go for 2 years then
transfer to a 4-year school for the other two. The course description
says:

The Associate in Science (A.S.) degree is awarded upon completion of
requirements for this program.

* Student will satisfy all requirements to earn a Private Pilot
License.
* Student will satisfy all requirements to earn an Instrument Rating.
* Student will satisfy all requirements to earn a Commercial Pilot
License.

But if an hour of flight costs $100 and it will take you 45 hours (at
least) then that's a $5000 budget, not $27 grand

Brian W-

The school's program gives commercial and instrument, not just
private, making the $27 grand much more realistic. Factor in that this
is a part 141 college and a degree is earned then the $27 seems more
likely.

Ricky

Brian.. the $27K estimate is for Pvt, Commercial and Instrument.. plus
academics for an AS Degree.

"Brian Whatcott" wrote in message
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majortom546 wrote:
I just graduated from high school and my dream job is to become a pilot.
I have wanted to be a pilot since a very young age. I plan on attending
my local community college this fall. They offer an aviation science
program that is mainly a transfer program where you go for 2 years then
transfer to a 4-year school for the other two. The course description
says:

The Associate in Science (A.S.) degree is awarded upon completion of
requirements for this program.

* Student will satisfy all requirements to earn a Private Pilot
License.
* Student will satisfy all requirements to earn an Instrument Rating.
* Student will satisfy all requirements to earn a Commercial Pilot
License.

The total cost of the program is $27,000. What schools could I transfer
to after this? And do you guys think its worth it or should I persue a
degree in something else? What is the job outlook like? Thanks.
*
*
*
It has been done before - but this is possibly the toughest, unlikeliest
way to an airline job. Getting a four year degree. YES!
Getting a pilot slot in the Navy or AirForce? YES?

But if an hour of flight costs $100 and it will take you 45 hours (at
least) then that's a $5000 budget, not $27 grand

Brian W

Ah yes, of course. And after a look at a dollar index graph at a
commodities seminar this week, it might be good to spend those bucks
while they are still worth more than six bits??

Brian W


BT wrote:
Brian.. the $27K estimate is for Pvt, Commercial and Instrument.. plus
academics for an AS Degree.

"Brian Whatcott" wrote in message
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majortom546 wrote:
I just graduated from high school and my dream job is to become a pilot.
I have wanted to be a pilot since a very young age. I plan on attending
my local community college this fall. They offer an aviation science
program that is mainly a transfer program where you go for 2 years then
transfer to a 4-year school for the other two. The course description
says:

The Associate in Science (A.S.) degree is awarded upon completion of
requirements for this program.

* Student will satisfy all requirements to earn a Private Pilot
License.
* Student will satisfy all requirements to earn an Instrument Rating.
* Student will satisfy all requirements to earn a Commercial Pilot
License.

The total cost of the program is $27,000. What schools could I transfer
to after this? And do you guys think its worth it or should I persue a
degree in something else? What is the job outlook like? Thanks.
*
*
*
It has been done before - but this is possibly the toughest, unlikeliest
way to an airline job. Getting a four year degree. YES!
Getting a pilot slot in the Navy or AirForce? YES?

But if an hour of flight costs $100 and it will take you 45 hours (at
least) then that's a $5000 budget, not $27 grand

Brian W

majortom546 wrote

* Student will satisfy all requirements to earn a Private Pilot
License.
* Student will satisfy all requirements to earn an Instrument Rating.
* Student will satisfy all requirements to earn a Commercial Pilot
License.

I would be somewhat leery of any educational institution that calls a
pilot "certificate" a "license".

There are major differences between the two.

Bob Moore
ATP CFI
PanAm (retired)

"Robert Moore" wrote in message
5.250...
majortom546 wrote

* Student will satisfy all requirements to earn a Private Pilot
License.
* Student will satisfy all requirements to earn an Instrument Rating.
* Student will satisfy all requirements to earn a Commercial Pilot
License.

I would be somewhat leery of any educational institution that calls a
pilot "certificate" a "license".

There are major differences between the two.

Bob Moore
ATP CFI
PanAm (retired)

Technically true, but annecdotal evidence suggests that the distinction has
been blurred by individuals and agencies treating both as licenses and
enforcing them as such.

Peter

"Robert Moore" wrote in message
5.250...
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I would be somewhat leery of any educational institution that calls a
pilot "certificate" a "license".

There are major differences between the two.

Bob Moore
ATP CFI
PanAm (retired)

Hello Bob,
with respect,
The OP did not indicate their country of concern, in Canada at least (and I
suspect many others) the correct term (and spelling) is Licence.

PPL = Private pilot Licence (class = aeroplane or other)
CPL = Commercial Pilot Licence - aeroplane
ATPL = Airline Transport Pilot Licence - aeroplane
GPL = Glider Pilot Licence
BPL = Balloon Pilot Licence

Other Pilot Permits are available -
Student Pilot Permit
Gyroplane Pilot Permit
Ultra-light Aeroplane Pilot Permit
RPP = Recreational Pilot Permit - Aeroplane
Recreational Pilot Permit - Helicopter

Other available Licences cover -
Flight Engineers
Air Traffic Controllers
Aircraft Maintenance Engineers

In addition there are many additional ratings covering
Night
VFR OTT
Instrument
Second Officer
Passenger carrying (ultralight)
Flight Instructor
other Classes
Types
Floats

Link to CARs (Canadian Aviation Regulations)
http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/re.../cars/menu.htm
Part IV - Personnel Licensing and Training subpart 1
http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/re...4/subpart1.htm
has a list and training requirements for the various licences and permits.

I agree there can be major differences between a Licence (or License) and a
Certificate or a Permit. AFAIK, Permits are not valid or recognized outside
of their country of issue. I do not fully understand the difference in the
USA between a License (correct spelling in US usage?) and a Certificate. I
would appreciate enlightenment.

Happy landings,

On Jun 26, 1:51*pm, "Private" wrote:
"Robert Moore" wrote in message

5.250...
snip

I would be somewhat leery of any educational institution that calls a
pilot "certificate" a "license".

There are major differences between the two.

Bob Moore
ATP *CFI
PanAm (retired)

Hello Bob,
with respect,
The OP did not indicate their country of concern, in Canada at least (and I
suspect many others) the correct term (and spelling) is Licence.

PPL = Private pilot Licence (class = aeroplane or other)
CPL = Commercial Pilot Licence - aeroplane
ATPL = Airline Transport Pilot Licence - aeroplane
GPL = Glider Pilot Licence
BPL = Balloon Pilot Licence

Other Pilot Permits are available -
Student Pilot Permit
Gyroplane Pilot Permit
Ultra-light Aeroplane Pilot Permit
RPP = Recreational Pilot Permit - Aeroplane
Recreational Pilot Permit - Helicopter

Other available Licences cover -
Flight Engineers
Air Traffic Controllers
Aircraft Maintenance Engineers

In addition there are many additional ratings covering
Night
VFR OTT
Instrument
Second Officer
Passenger carrying (ultralight)
Flight Instructor
other Classes
Types
Floats

Link to CARs (Canadian Aviation Regulations)http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/re.../cars/menu.htm
Part IV - Personnel Licensing and Training subpart 1http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/regserv/affairs/cars/part4/subpart1...
has a list and training requirements for the various licences and permits..

I agree there can be major differences between a Licence (or License) and a
Certificate or a Permit. *AFAIK, Permits are not valid or recognized outside
of their country of issue. *I do not fully understand the difference in the
USA between a License (correct spelling in US usage?) *and a Certificate. *I
would appreciate enlightenment.

Happy landings,

It's been a very minor but aggravating issue with flight instructors
dealing with the FAA T crossers and i dotters for years here in the
states if that helps. A CFI is technically a Certificated Flight
Instructor, but there are a virtual ton of CFI's who refer to
themselves on almost every occasion as CERTIFIED Flight Instructors.
I did it myself for many years, even signed log books this way. Never
had a problem with it until discovering Usenet :-)
Dudley Henriques