Thunderbird Crash Footage

Jay
Sometimes it's easier to go to Google and type the word or phrase in
to get an answer vs asking the group and waiting around for an answer
G

Thanks, Big John -- but it wasn't me that was doing the asking!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Jay
Sometimes it's easier to go to Google and type the word or phrase in
to get an answer vs asking the group and waiting around for an answer
G

Thanks, Big John -- but it wasn't me that was doing the asking!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"



I think he meant me...

The "other" Jay

;o)

Jay Beckman
Student Pilot - KCHD
3.2 Hrs ... Nowhere to go but up!

he set it correctly.. his mental math was in error..

BT

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Why do you call it a "horrible finish". Nobody got hurt and we got to
see
a
cool ejection sequence!!

You forgot the little smiley thingy. :-)

But assuming you're not joking, for a moment, there a zillion reasons to
call it a horrible finish. Hell, just from a taxpayer's standpoint I'm
****ed that we're out $20 million because the guy couldn't set his
altimeter
correctly.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

you can't set QFE when the field elevation is that high above sea level

BT

"Joe Morris" wrote in message
...
"Jay Honeck" writes:

The pilot survived, right?

His health is fine.

His career, I sadly suspect, is not.

A comment from one of the ASF people at a CFIRC I was at over the
past weekend was that he is now flying a desk at the Pentagon.

The same man stated that the problem was that the pilot had become
too comfortable with practicing the maneuver at his home base, which
was about 800 (+/-; I don't recall the exact number) feet lower
than the airfield at which the accident occurred. At the accident
location he set up the split-S so that the top was at the proper
altitude MSL -- at his home base, meaning that the entire maneuver
was executed 800 feet lower than it should have been.

I have *no* military jet experience, but especially for airshows I'm
somewhat surprised that there isn't an altimeter set to QFE to serve
as a sanity check against exactly this sort of problem.

Joe Morris

I think he meant me...

The "other" Jay

Whoops! Sorry, Jay!

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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I think he meant me...

The "other" Jay

Whoops! Sorry, Jay!

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"



Guess you and I will have to stick with full "N" numbers...no abbreviations!

G

Jay (Beckman)

"Jay Beckman" wrote in message
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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I think he meant me...

The "other" Jay

Whoops! Sorry, Jay!

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"



Guess you and I will have to stick with full "N" numbers...no
abbreviations!


Jay B,

In the UK Q codes are used all the time. We set QNH airfield elevation ie
above sea level when we are going cross country and set QFE when either
working the pattern or arriving to a pattern so that on landing the
altimeter reads zero.
The normal form of joining in the UK is an overhead join usually at 1000'
above the centre of the field with a descent on the dead side aiming to be
at pattern height as you cross the upwind end of the runway.

Makes for an exciting time when you hear a load of aircraft "in the
overhead"

sg


We also use QDM magnetic bearing to a station QDR bearing from a station
when doing a VDF letdown and then QGH, which is heading to steer
accompanied by decent instructions from the controller.

Why not
"BTIZ" wrote in message
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you can't set QFE when the field elevation is that high above sea level

BT

"Joe Morris" wrote in message
...
"Jay Honeck" writes:

The pilot survived, right?

His health is fine.

His career, I sadly suspect, is not.

A comment from one of the ASF people at a CFIRC I was at over the
past weekend was that he is now flying a desk at the Pentagon.

The same man stated that the problem was that the pilot had become
too comfortable with practicing the maneuver at his home base, which
was about 800 (+/-; I don't recall the exact number) feet lower
than the airfield at which the accident occurred. At the accident
location he set up the split-S so that the top was at the proper
altitude MSL -- at his home base, meaning that the entire maneuver
was executed 800 feet lower than it should have been.

I have *no* military jet experience, but especially for airshows I'm
somewhat surprised that there isn't an altimeter set to QFE to serve
as a sanity check against exactly this sort of problem.

Joe Morris

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Everything you see, touch, use, eat, wear or live in was probably
produced
by a corporation and could be produced in no other way.

I'm always amused when I hear someone spew back the Democratic Party's
line
against "corporate interests."

Mary and I are a corporation -- and we represent small business in every
way.

But if your become successful and big, for whatever reason, then you're
evil. Doesn't matter if you do it through hard work and by giving good value
to your customers...you're BIG and thus you're EVIL. End of story.

I guess that just makes us mean, old "corporate interests"...

Capitalist running dog!!!

"Toks Desalu" wrote in message
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Everything you see, touch, use, eat, wear or live in was probably
produced
by a corporation and could be produced in no other way.


Actually major stuff came from sole proprietorship or partnership
business.
You see, corporations sell the finishing products. Parts within products
is
bought from sole proprietorship or partnerships business.

Only marginally correct.

So, Technically,
everything you see, touch, use, eat, wear or live in most likely produced
by
private business.

Bot even technically correct.

Only corporations have the power to manipulate financial
system.

Back to school for you: Corporations are PRIVATE business. And what the hell
is a financial "system"?

Quite barfing back the crap your leftist professors crammed down your throat
and think for yourself (and at least get some basic facts correct).