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On 09 Jan 2004 02:48:34 GMT, (B2431) wrote:

From: Mary Shafer
Date: 1/8/2004 7:13 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

On 08 Jan 2004 22:33:39 GMT, (B2431) wrote:


Marron, I will let you in on a little secret your father
committed a crime by
taking you on the flightline in a launch truck. He and his
buddies committed a
crime by giving you beer as a minor.

Everyone seems to think this, but it's not true. Parents can give
their minor children alcohol legally. Maybe not everywhere in the
US,
but in a fairly large part of it.

True, but only at home.

Nope. In most states, it's in "a non-public place". In some, it's
anywhere. In a few, it's only in a home, whose home not specified.
Granted, there are a couple of states where it's a relative's home,
but even that is more places than just "at home", implying the kid's
and parent's home.

It is legal for parents to give children wine in public places in
California, but it is seldom practiced outside of very pricey
resturants. I
was not only drinking on Chanute at 17, but also in town in Texas and
Illinois both. Most places will serve minors, if they are not too
squirreley.

It was my 21st birthday and 3 of us from USNTC went down to the
Mecca on sailor main in San Diego to celebrate. The waitress carded
us all and with one look at my Montana DL, broke into a rousing rendition
of "Happy Birthday." :-( (1961)

It is surprising that sailors would get carded there.

(B2431) wrote:
Michael Kelly wrote:

Dan,

Taking civilians out onto an active flightline is no crime so long as
they are properly supervised. Anyone with escort privilege on their
line badge can do it. We take wives, girlfriends, children and friends
out all the time, even post 9/11. As long as the person escorting keeps
the civilians out of the way there's no problem. The crime occurs if
they are left unsupervised.

Which is what would have happened once the escort climbed into the cockpit. The
father had no business expecting the launch truck driver to continue the
escort. I had escort authority but that doesn't mean you can ask me to baby sit
your child while you go fly.

I don't know about where you are, but on all the TAC, MAC, USAFE, AFSOC base I
was on the flightline was off limits to sight seeing. Further, an excorted
individual needs to have a need to be on the flightline. If memory serves the
ADC ramp at Langley AFB was a resticted area which, among other things, means
no sight seeing. If the ADC base marron's father was stationed at the same regs
apply.

I have seen wives in line trucks and have had them promptly escorted off line.
If you want to show your dependants your aircraft take them to an open house
not the line. They don't belong there.

I don't know what they retitled the AFR-207 series to, but I suggest you review
them and their base apendices.

One thing not addressed so far was marron claims to have been there at 10 years
old. Are you aware that a 10 year old is still developing and should not be
exposed to the radiation and nose of the flightline for exactly the same reason
pregnant women aren't allowed online. If in fact what he said is true I
personally would consider it child abuse. My opinon.

As if I you aren't already wrapped around the axle enough, now that
I think about it, I believe that I was actually only 8 or 9 years of
age (ohmigod!) back when I rode in that launch truck. And just to send
you furthur in paroxysms, here's some more incidents of "child abuse"
that my terrible ol' man was "guilty" of:

Allowing my uncle to fly the F-101 simulator from the front seat while
I was sitting in RO's seat fiddling around with the radar scope and
mind boggling array of buttons, knobs and switches.

Landing the A-1E at Lincoln, NE municipal airport and taxiing it
right up to the terminal and then hoisting my brothers and me up
on the wing so as to give us a peek inside the cockpit before he
went off to war (damn, that sucker was HUGE!) And BTW, this
particular incident occurred when I was even younger than I was
when I rode in the launch truck. Oh the shame!! The horror!!!

Back to the Voodoo days, his signature to his sons while screaming
around in the base traffic pattern was to dip his left wing once to
port then snapping back to wings level then rolling left again and
immediately rolling right and back to level (e.g: wings dipped left,
left-right) Just curious, Big Dan, how many AF rules & regs was he
guilty of busting when he did that? Hehe...

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

Security Manager,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

So, you were just an SP (e.g: AF cop?) Now that explains a LOT!
Reminds me of the time some pompous jackass SP who was publically
chewing out a mechanic at the front gate simply for having a bit of
grease on his uniform.

Witnessing this, Dad unhesitantly threw the 64' Ford Galaxy 500
station wagon into park, got out of the car and walked over to the cop
and commenced to tear the SP a new one.

Can't remember exactly what he said, but it had something to do with
the mechanic's job of ensuring that the multi-million dollar jets that
he flew were airworthy while the lowly cop's job was to simply stand
there waving cars on through.

In other words, now I see why, for the most part, he despised
cops,...especially asshole cops like YOU.

In article ,
"John Keeney" wrote:

At least it wasn't the Navy's B-52N.

....the catapult launches were spectacular, but kicking the whole ship
backwards fifty yards was annoying the crew...

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

Mike Marron wrote:

In other words, now I see why, for the most part, he despised
cops,...especially asshole cops like YOU.



Mike...serious question sir...you don't have any children do
you?...at least none that you can have an influence on?...
--

-Gord.

Chad Irby wrote:

In article ,
"John Keeney" wrote:

At least it wasn't the Navy's B-52N.

...the catapult launches were spectacular, but kicking the whole ship
backwards fifty yards was annoying the crew...

....plus I still think that the engineering that must have gone
into that wing folding joint must have been horrendous not to
mention worrying in use.
--

-Gord.

In article ,
"Gord Beaman" ) wrote:

Chad Irby wrote:

In article ,
"John Keeney" wrote:

At least it wasn't the Navy's B-52N.

...the catapult launches were spectacular, but kicking the whole ship
backwards fifty yards was annoying the crew...

...plus I still think that the engineering that must have gone
into that wing folding joint must have been horrendous not to
mention worrying in use.

Well, after those two guys got caught in the accordion folds of the
Model I B-52N, the telescoping wings of the Model II were a big
improvement. Although they did have a tendency to push Tomcats over
the side if you accidentally activated them without checking clearances.

The 6" diameter arrestor cables for the B-52N were also a bit of a
problem, and were a pain to clear. Not to mention the three tailhooks
and how they were fitted to the fuselage, which reduced the bombload and
occasionally got caught on trees in low-level flight.

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

Chad Irby wrote:

In article ,
"Gord Beaman" ) wrote:

Chad Irby wrote:

In article ,
"John Keeney" wrote:

At least it wasn't the Navy's B-52N.

...the catapult launches were spectacular, but kicking the whole ship
backwards fifty yards was annoying the crew...

...plus I still think that the engineering that must have gone
into that wing folding joint must have been horrendous not to
mention worrying in use.

Well, after those two guys got caught in the accordion folds of the
Model I B-52N, the telescoping wings of the Model II were a big
improvement. Although they did have a tendency to push Tomcats over
the side if you accidentally activated them without checking clearances.

The 6" diameter arrestor cables for the B-52N were also a bit of a
problem, and were a pain to clear. Not to mention the three tailhooks
and how they were fitted to the fuselage, which reduced the bombload and
occasionally got caught on trees in low-level flight.

I'd continue but I'm too weak with laughter...
--

-Gord.

rom: Mike Marron


So, you were just an SP (e.g: AF cop?) Now that explains a LOT!
Reminds me of the time some pompous jackass SP who was publically
chewing out a mechanic at the front gate simply for having a bit of
grease on his uniform.

Witnessing this, Dad unhesitantly threw the 64' Ford Galaxy 500
station wagon into park, got out of the car and walked over to the cop
and commenced to tear the SP a new one.

Can't remember exactly what he said, but it had something to do with
the mechanic's job of ensuring that the multi-million dollar jets that
he flew were airworthy while the lowly cop's job was to simply stand
there waving cars on through.

In other words, now I see why, for the most part, he despised
cops,...especially asshole cops like YOU.

I was an SP augmentee in 1975. That's as close as I ever got to being a cop. On
the other hand a security manager is an additional duty assigned to at least
one NCO in a unit. Since I was in aircraft maintenance that meant I had to be
familiar with flightline regs and was expected to enforce them which I did
before and after my stint a security manager.

Even if I believed half of the stories you have told us you would have to be in
your fifties at least. Time for you to act your age.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

From: "Gord Beaman" )
Date: 1/10/2004 3:27 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Mike Marron wrote:

In other words, now I see why, for the most part, he despised
cops,...especially asshole cops like YOU.



Mike...serious question sir...you don't have any children do
you?...at least none that you can have an influence on?...
--

-Gord.

God, I hope not.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

(B2431) wrote:

Even if I believed half of the stories you have told us you would have to be in
your fifties at least. Time for you to act your age.

If I'm in my fifties then you must be in your eighties! And what
right do you have to tell people to grow up when you haven't
done so yourself?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired