Aviation Conspiracy: AP Reveals Series Of Boeing 777 Fires!!!

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Quote of the Week: "the Boeing 777 seemed to shudder. Passengers smelled
smoke. People were yelling, tell us what's going on" comment by passenger to
Associated Press about just revealed "July" Boeing 777 fire incident

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Aviation Conspiracy Newsletter
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AP Reveals Series Of Boeing 777 Fires!!!

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As Bill Sees It: (Editorial): A Wiring And Cockpit "Fire" Problem With
Boeing 777s!!! While PBS, the Discovery and History Channels continue to run
Boeing 777 infomercials, the negative stories about this plane are
suppressed and kept secret for months. However, it was revealed this week
that there was a cockpit fire and panic on a Boeing 777 Rome to New York
flight, which ended with an emergency landing!!! How come this
near-catastrophe happened in July and is just being reported now? Another
interesting thing, according to the AP story, is that were "at least" (were
there more?) two similar incidents in past year!!! How many other 777 near
disasters is Boeing and the Aviation Cabal hiding from the public? Why
hasn't the FAA called for the grounding of all 777's until this problem is
fixed? Are they waiting for another ValuJet-like fiery crash? I'm getting
the same feeling about the Boeing 777 "computer plane" that I've had with
the Concorde. I think it is a "bad luck" plane. Maybe this feeling started
years ago when the former Secretary of Transportation Pena was on a 777
promotion trip (pushing the Arabs to buy 777's). The plane he was on lost
cabin pressure, the oxygen masks dropped down and the plane had to make an
emergency landing. The 777 is totally run totally by computer technology and
doesn't have the standard steel cables to operate wing flaps. It uses
computer-driven, electrically- wired motors. Some feel, including me, that
this makes this plane more dangerous to fly than other models. Like the
Concorde, there are only a few (138 in the U.S.) 777's flying, so it will
take awhile for inherent problems to be detected, especially when there
seems to be an effort to cover these incidents up. Will The

FAA Reauthorization Bill Come Up For A Final Vote This Week? There must be a
lot of horse trading on now that the FAA Reauthorization Bill has hit
turbulence over the airport privatization issue. I'll bet the
congresscriminals are trying to get better pork deals with the FAA now that
every vote is needed before the FAA can get their claws on our tax dollars.

RepubliSCUMS Fighting Hearing On 21 BILLION DOLLAR Boeing Tanker Lease
Deal!!! The FAA Industrial Complex at work. No wonder we have the greatest
deficit in our history. I don't like most DemocRATS, but I despise most
Republicans. You would think that the 21 billion dollar price tag would get
it at least a congressional hearing. I'll bet this hold deal involves bribes
and payoffs for politicians like research centers and other goodies. I only
hope the stench of a good scandal drives a whole load of these creeps out of
office.

Tax Dollars For FAA "Composites Research" In The FAA Reauthorization Bill:
In case you thought the FAA was out of the promotion business and back to
their main mission of regulating the airlines, think again. Congress is
preparing to give the FAA millions of tax dollars in the FAA Reauthorization
Bill "to promote the development and use of composite materials in
aircraft." You would think that after the American Airlines Flight 587 tail
fell off, the FAA would push to avoid using composite materials on planes
instead of promoting them. I think this kind of project further involves the
government with propping up the Boeing Corporation. No doubt this Boeing/
FAA cabal gets to buy support for their raiding the treasury by telling
politicians that their states and districts are being "considered" for the
research center sites. What happened to NASA being the agency who does the
aviation industrys' research? Maybe they didn't want to get involved with
the slimy politics that the FAA is so comfortable maneuvering in.

The "Secret" Fire Problem On Boeing 777s Revealed" WASHINGTON - Alitalia
Flight 610 was over the Atlantic on its Rome-to-New York flight last July
when the Boeing 777 seemed to shudder. Passengers smelled smoke. The cabin
crew ran up to the flight deck as passengers screamed, said Bruce Northrup,
a New York City banker returning from a wedding with his wife and
15-year-old son. "People were yelling, 'Tell us what's going on,' " he said
in an interview with The Associated Press. The flight crew put out the fire
with an extinguisher in three seconds and then brought the plane down to
10,000 feet. That reduced the difference between the pressurized cockpit and
the thin air outside, said Bill Waldock, aviation safety professor at
Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Arizona. "The danger at high
altitudes is that the windshield could shatter and loose items or people
could be sucked out."
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...elds06-ON.html

FAA To Build "Centers Of Excellence" To Study "Composite Materials"
SEATTLE -- The Federal Aviation Administration on Wednesday announced that
it will establish a research center focusing on using advanced materials
such as alloys and composites in airplanes. The University of Washington is
angling to house the center, which was proposed by Sen. Maria Cantwell,
D-Wash. Cantwell proposed legislation in February that would have directed
the FAA to build the Center of Excellence for Advanced Materials. The
legislation was eventually included in the FAA reauthorization bill, which
is bogged down in committee. Editor's Note: She proposed the legislation and
gets the center built in her state. Does anyone smell something?
http://www.tribnet.com/business/stor...-4133938c.html
http://cantwell.senate.gov/news/rele...omposites.html

Republicans Fighting Effort To Review 21 BILLION Dollar Boeing Tanker Lease
Deal: WASHINGTON -- Democrats on the House Armed Services Committee say the
panel should take another look at a $21.2 billion Air Force plan to lease
100 refueling tanker planes from The Boeing Co. The Armed Services panel
endorsed the deal in July, but Democratic Reps. Ike Skelton of Missouri and
Vic Snyder of Arkansas say they are having second thoughts, in light of
recent questions raised about the deal. The Congressional Budget Office says
leasing the modified 767 jetliners could cost as much as $5.7 billion more
than buying them outright. The Pentagon's inspector general, meanwhile, has
launched a formal investigation into allegations that a former Air Force
official acted improperly in giving Boeing financial information about a
competing bid on the lease deal.
http://www.theolympian.com/home/news...s/120625.shtml Editor's
Note: I wonder what goodies Republican committee chairman, Duncan Hunter
(pictured at left) got for preventing a hearing on the Boeing lease deal.
Concordes Sonic Doom Is October 23!!! CONCORDE, the futuristic airliner that
turned into a turkey, is about to make its last passenger flight. The
British Airways supersonic plane will fly from London to New York on October
23. Air France grounded its Concorde fleet in June after 27 years in service
because of low demand and spiralling maintenance costs. Concorde, developed
in the 1960s by Britain and France, was to usher in a new era of flying.
Editor's Note: Hallelujah!!! The Boeing 747 will now recapture the title as
the world's nosiest passenger jet.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/com...55E663,00.html

FAA Sponsoring A 1.7 Million Dollar NATIONAL Noise Study? The University of
Central Florida's Civil and Environmental Engineering Department has been
chosen to take part in a national study on noise pollution and air quality
at the nation's airports. The federal agency will be investing up to $1.75
million in the program during its first year. The money will be divided
among the participating universities.
http://orlando.bizjournals.com/orlan...06/daily7.html
Editor's Note: This is interesting. I would like to hear more about it.
However, when I went to their Environmental Engineering Department's web
page and clicked on their current projects link it came up blank.

Pennsylvania: Philadelphia Airport Communities To Get Blasted With New
Noise: The FAA says the new route will reduce delays. The change will affect
about 40 percent of the westerly departures at the airport. Residents of
northern Delaware have already complained about noise from air traffic and
have been critical of a possible airport expansion plan that would put them
in the path of more incoming flights. Editor's Note: Has an Environmental
Impact Study (EIS) been done on the new route or has the FAA made their
usual Finding Of No Significant Impact (FONSI) determination to hide the
health impacts? http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/101003-airport.html





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Important Aviation News Stories This Week

Boeing sends directive on wiring in windshields

http://www.suntimes.com/output/busin...-boeing07.html

October 7, 2003

BY LESLIE MILLER

WASHINGTON -- At least three Boeing 777s have experienced problems with the
wiring on a windshield heater in the past year, resulting in cracked
windshields.

Experts say three similar incidents in one year is unusual for an aircraft.

The 777, Boeing's newest, largest twin-engine jet, is among the most modern
in the commercial fleet. It entered service in 1995, carries up to 550
people and costs between $153 million and $231 million each, depending on
the model.

There are 138 registered in the United States, according to Federal Aviation
Administration records.

Their windshields, made of three layers of glass, acrylic and epoxy, can get
brittle in the cold, thin air at cruising altitude seven miles up. They're
warmed by a heater to stay elastic. The wires on the three planes that
suffered cracked windshields loosened and shorted out.

On Alitalia Flight 610 to New York from Rome last July, the short caused a
small fire and the innermost layer of the window cracked, Boeing spokeswoman
Liz Verdier said.

The flight crew put out the fire with an extinguisher in three seconds and
then brought the plane down to 10,000 feet. That reduced the difference
between the pressurized cockpit and the thin air outside, said Bill Waldock,
aviation safety professor at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in
Arizona.

The danger at high altitudes is that the windshield could shatter and loose
items or people could be sucked out, though that has never happened on a
commercial flight.

Boeing has sent a directive to airlines instructing them how to tighten the
wire connections. Boeing also is developing circuit breakers that will
prevent sparking and the window from overheating, Verdier said.

Fires can be a bigger safety issue than cracked windows.

''Electrical fires are kind of nasty because they're so hot,'' Waldock said.
''But as long as that's all there is, it's the easiest to stop.''

John O'Brien, safety director for the Air Line Pilots Association, said the
wiring problem in the 777s isn't a major concern because the embedded
filaments in the windshield are isolated from other combustible materials.

FAA officials said Boeing is taking appropriate action.

Most windshield damage is caused by planes striking birds. Between Jan. 1,
1990, and last Dec. 31, there were 442 such incidents recorded by the FAA's
National Bird Strike Database. However, database manager Sandra Wright
estimates 75 percent of bird strikes go unreported.

Waldock said it's extremely rare for a cracked windshield to cause a major
problem for pilots. If the crack is serious enough, the pilot simply
descends and makes an emergency landing at the nearest airport, as the
Alitalia crew did.

AP

Bill further proves his ignorance and lack of reading comprehension.

No where in that AP report does it say there were three fires. All it
says is that there were three incidents where the windshield heat wiring
shorted out and resulted in a cracked windshield.

Looking at the FAA SDR database shows six incidents since 1997 where
there was a windshield crack.

In contrast, looking at the same database shows 13 incidents where the
windshield cracked on Boeing 767's (earliest data is from 1993).

Now considering the 777's safety record...going to the NTSB database
shows only four out of the sixteen listed incidents/accidents as being
aircraft related. The majority of the incidents are turbulence related.

Now when it comes to composite aircraft construction, you don't know
****. Did you know that there are two corporate aircraft currently in
production that have carbon fiber fuselages? Bet you didn't know that.

Tom Mosher


Bill Mulcahy wrote:
The graphic (website) version of this newsletter can be accessed at:
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Quote of the Week: "the Boeing 777 seemed to shudder. Passengers smelled
smoke. People were yelling, tell us what's going on" comment by passenger to
Associated Press about just revealed "July" Boeing 777 fire incident

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Aviation Conspiracy Newsletter
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"Thomas Mosher" wrote in message
m...

No where in that AP report does it say there were three fires. All it
says is that there were three incidents where the windshield heat wiring
shorted out and resulted in a cracked windshield.

I knew I could expect foul-mouthed Tom to defend Boeing and the airlines.

I would think that if windshield wires got hot enough to
crack glass that would qualify as a fire, even to the FAA. I'm sure it
would have had to be hot enough to melt the insulation on the wires
leading to the window.

By the way "nowhere" is one word.

Bill Mulcahy





Looking at the FAA SDR database shows six incidents since 1997 where
there was a windshield crack.

In contrast, looking at the same database shows 13 incidents where the
windshield cracked on Boeing 767's (earliest data is from 1993).

Now considering the 777's safety record...going to the NTSB database
shows only four out of the sixteen listed incidents/accidents as being
aircraft related. The majority of the incidents are turbulence related.

Now when it comes to composite aircraft construction, you don't know
****. Did you know that there are two corporate aircraft currently in
production that have carbon fiber fuselages? Bet you didn't know that.

Tom Mosher


Bill Mulcahy wrote:
The graphic (website) version of this newsletter can be accessed at:
http://pages.prodigy.net/rockaway/newsletter241.htm

Quote of the Week: "the Boeing 777 seemed to shudder. Passengers smelled
smoke. People were yelling, tell us what's going on" comment by
passenger to
Associated Press about just revealed "July" Boeing 777 fire incident

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Aviation Conspiracy Newsletter
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AP Reveals Series Of Boeing 777 Fires!!!

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Bill Mulcahy wrote:

"Thomas Mosher" wrote in message
m...

No where in that AP report does it say there were three fires. All it
says is that there were three incidents where the windshield heat wiring
shorted out and resulted in a cracked windshield.

I knew I could expect foul-mouthed Tom to defend Boeing and the airlines.

I would think that if windshield wires got hot enough to
crack glass that would qualify as a fire, even to the FAA. I'm sure it
would have had to be hot enough to melt the insulation on the wires
leading to the window.

By the way "nowhere" is one word.

By the way, you needed a comma there.

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Bill Mulcahy wrote:

"Thomas Mosher" wrote in message
m...

No where in that AP report does it say there were three fires. All it
says is that there were three incidents where the windshield heat wiring
shorted out and resulted in a cracked windshield.

I knew I could expect foul-mouthed Tom to defend Boeing and the airlines.

I would think that if windshield wires got hot enough to
crack glass that would qualify as a fire,

A FIRE involves combustion - typically meaning both smoke and flames. An
overheated windshield that cracks is no FIRE.

even to the FAA. I'm sure it
would have had to be hot enough to melt the insulation on the wires
leading to the window.

You're *sure* ? Pls explain your thinking.


Graham

CJS wrote:

Bill Mulcahy wrote:

"Thomas Mosher" wrote in message
m...

No where in that AP report does it say there were three fires. All it
says is that there were three incidents where the windshield heat wiring
shorted out and resulted in a cracked windshield.

I knew I could expect foul-mouthed Tom to defend Boeing and the airlines.

I would think that if windshield wires got hot enough to
crack glass that would qualify as a fire, even to the FAA. I'm sure it
would have had to be hot enough to melt the insulation on the wires
leading to the window.

By the way "nowhere" is one word.

By the way, you needed a comma there.

LMAO, Graham

"Bill Mulcahy" wrote in message ...
"Thomas Mosher" wrote in message
m...

No where in that AP report does it say there were three fires. All it
says is that there were three incidents where the windshield heat wiring
shorted out and resulted in a cracked windshield.

I knew I could expect foul-mouthed Tom to defend Boeing and the airlines.

I would think that if windshield wires got hot enough to
crack glass that would qualify as a fire, even to the FAA. I'm sure it
would have had to be hot enough to melt the insulation on the wires
leading to the window.

By the way "nowhere" is one word.

Bill Mulcahy

well lets face it bill, you are a moronic **** head





Looking at the FAA SDR database shows six incidents since 1997 where
there was a windshield crack.

In contrast, looking at the same database shows 13 incidents where the
windshield cracked on Boeing 767's (earliest data is from 1993).

Now considering the 777's safety record...going to the NTSB database
shows only four out of the sixteen listed incidents/accidents as being
aircraft related. The majority of the incidents are turbulence related.

Now when it comes to composite aircraft construction, you don't know
****. Did you know that there are two corporate aircraft currently in
production that have carbon fiber fuselages? Bet you didn't know that.

Tom Mosher


Bill Mulcahy wrote:
The graphic (website) version of this newsletter can be accessed at:
http://pages.prodigy.net/rockaway/newsletter241.htm

Quote of the Week: "the Boeing 777 seemed to shudder. Passengers smelled
smoke. People were yelling, tell us what's going on" comment by
passenger to
Associated Press about just revealed "July" Boeing 777 fire incident

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Aviation Conspiracy Newsletter
#241.........................................Octob er 12 , 2003 Past
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http://pages.prodigy.net/rockaway/ACNewsmenu.htm Bill Mulcahy


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Bill:

Not one foul word in my post.

Also, from the Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary:

nowhere - not in or at any place.

YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT AIRCRAFT.

Tom


"Bill Mulcahy" wrote in message ...
"Thomas Mosher" wrote in message
m...

No where in that AP report does it say there were three fires. All it
says is that there were three incidents where the windshield heat wiring
shorted out and resulted in a cracked windshield.

I knew I could expect foul-mouthed Tom to defend Boeing and the airlines.

I would think that if windshield wires got hot enough to
crack glass that would qualify as a fire, even to the FAA. I'm sure it
would have had to be hot enough to melt the insulation on the wires
leading to the window.

By the way "nowhere" is one word.

Bill Mulcahy





Looking at the FAA SDR database shows six incidents since 1997 where
there was a windshield crack.

In contrast, looking at the same database shows 13 incidents where the
windshield cracked on Boeing 767's (earliest data is from 1993).

Now considering the 777's safety record...going to the NTSB database
shows only four out of the sixteen listed incidents/accidents as being
aircraft related. The majority of the incidents are turbulence related.

Now when it comes to composite aircraft construction, you don't know
****. Did you know that there are two corporate aircraft currently in
production that have carbon fiber fuselages? Bet you didn't know that.

Tom Mosher


Bill Mulcahy wrote:
The graphic (website) version of this newsletter can be accessed at:
http://pages.prodigy.net/rockaway/newsletter241.htm

Quote of the Week: "the Boeing 777 seemed to shudder. Passengers smelled
smoke. People were yelling, tell us what's going on" comment by
passenger to
Associated Press about just revealed "July" Boeing 777 fire incident

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Aviation Conspiracy Newsletter
#241.........................................Octob er 12 , 2003 Past
newsletters can be accessed at:
http://pages.prodigy.net/rockaway/ACNewsmenu.htm Bill Mulcahy


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AP Reveals Series Of Boeing 777 Fires!!!

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Pooh Bear wrote:

Bill Mulcahy wrote:
I would think that if windshield wires got hot enough to
crack glass that would qualify as a fire,


A FIRE involves combustion - typically meaning both smoke and flames. An
overheated windshield that cracks is no FIRE.

I think we have good evidence here of why Birdstrike Bill no longer works
for the NYFD. Even though he was only a cartoonist for them...

"Bill Mulcahy" wrote in message
.. .

"Thomas Mosher" wrote in message
m...

No where in that AP report does it say there were three fires. All it
says is that there were three incidents where the windshield heat wiring
shorted out and resulted in a cracked windshield.

I knew I could expect foul-mouthed Tom to defend Boeing and the airlines.

tommy is not far enough up the food chain for those to be his advocacies.

I would think that if windshield wires got hot enough to
crack glass that would qualify as a fire, even to the FAA. I'm sure it
would have had to be hot enough to melt the insulation on the wires
leading to the window.

Fire means smoke and that is a completely different issue. The 777 has had
one fire, created by the misapplication of a connector in a PAX
entertainment system; years ago.