America's Only Fly-In Pool Party is 7/25/09 -- You're invited!

"C Gattman" wrote in message
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Hey, all. Before I left the industry to be a full-time pilot and
flight instructor, I was a network and usenet abuse policy
administrator for many years. I have been aware of Jay's business and
activity for many years. For whatever that's worth, it was up to me to
decide what to do with complaints about posts such as Jay's. Here's
how my sysadmin team would evaluate this:

You are assuming that you are addressing complaints from rational human
beings. Wrong on two counts. Buttnip, Maxwell and all their friends are
simply trolls bent on destruction and disorder - not rational discourse.

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
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"C Gattman" wrote in message
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On Jul 1, 12:30 pm, Ross wrote:
Vaughn

I am sorry, but I do not see this as spam. I see a very dedicated
aviator inviting fellow aviators to join him for fun and relaxation
prior to going on to Oshkosh.
Go for it, Jay and keep it up. Maybe someday we can meet up.

Hey, all. Before I left the industry to be a full-time pilot and
flight instructor, I was a network and usenet abuse policy
administrator for many years. I have been aware of Jay's business and
activity for many years. For whatever that's worth, it was up to me to
decide what to do with complaints about posts such as Jay's. Here's
how my sysadmin team would evaluate this:

"Spam" is unsolicited BULK material send to multiple off-topic forums
or e-mail addresses. The term does not apply here unless he's spamming
to, say, alt.binaries.kittens or ca.politics also.

"UCE" is Unsolicited Commercial E-mail but can also be applied to
other forums such as usenet. The Rolex spam is UCE, and if Sporty's
advertised here it would be as well because they're not active in the
forum otherwise.

Jay is an active participant of the forum announcing topical activity
that happens to have a commercial element. He's not flooding the
newsgroup with it, ie, posting excessively. He responds to posts and
complaints about it personally. He's using the forum as a bulletin
board to announce his activity to his usenet acquaintances and the
general community. He's been around here for a long time and is one of
the most regular users. As such, he flies right through any reasonable
abuse policy criteria.

Folks, the respectful use of newsgroups as a marketplace and bulletin
board is far more appropriate and vital to the community than
flamewars and bickering. As a reader here for over a decade, I'm much
more interested in learning about a potential gathering of like-minded
subscribers for an airshow than I am in people flaming each other over
the validity of the post.

Flaming and bickering about the validity of Jay's posts is off-topic.
It seems to happen every time he mentions Alexis Park Inn based on the
misconception of what constitutes usenet "spam." I would prefer a
truce, because I think there are countless more important things to
get fired up about.

Have a great time at Oshkosh, everybody. Fly safe!

Respectfully,
Chris Gattman
Commercial pilot, CFI - Troutdale, Oregon

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Thanks for the excellent refresher on usenet definitions, and also on the
true purpose of usenet.

Peter

Peter Dohm wrote:
"C Gattman" wrote in message

"Spam" is unsolicited BULK material send to multiple off-topic forums
or e-mail addresses. The term does not apply here unless he's spamming
to, say, alt.binaries.kittens or ca.politics also.

"UCE" is Unsolicited Commercial E-mail but can also be applied to
other forums such as usenet. The Rolex spam is UCE, and if Sporty's
advertised here it would be as well because they're not active in the
forum otherwise.

Jay is an active participant of the forum announcing topical activity
that happens to have a commercial element. He's not flooding the
newsgroup with it, ie, posting excessively. He responds to posts and
complaints about it personally. He's using the forum as a bulletin
board to announce his activity to his usenet acquaintances and the
general community. He's been around here for a long time and is one of
the most regular users. As such, he flies right through any reasonable
abuse policy criteria.

Folks, the respectful use of newsgroups as a marketplace and bulletin
board is far more appropriate and vital to the community than
flamewars and bickering. As a reader here for over a decade, I'm much
more interested in learning about a potential gathering of like-minded
subscribers for an airshow than I am in people flaming each other over
the validity of the post.

Flaming and bickering about the validity of Jay's posts is off-topic.
It seems to happen every time he mentions Alexis Park Inn based on the
misconception of what constitutes usenet "spam." I would prefer a
truce, because I think there are countless more important things to
get fired up about.

Have a great time at Oshkosh, everybody. Fly safe!

Respectfully,
Chris Gattman
Commercial pilot, CFI - Troutdale, Oregon

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Thanks for the excellent refresher on usenet definitions, and also on the
true purpose of usenet.

Peter



What Chris said; and what Peter said.

Brian W

On Jul 6, 12:13*pm, C Gattman wrote:

Before I left the industry to be a full-time pilot and
flight instructor, I was a network and usenet abuse policy
administrator for many years. I have been aware of Jay's business and
activity for many years. For whatever that's worth, it was up to me to
decide what to do with complaints about posts such as Jay's. Here's
how my sysadmin team would evaluate this:



Respectfully,
Chris Gattman
Chris ,
Thanks for the post . I have been here on Usnet for a few years myself
and I can't help but wonder why you have too consider complaints like
this and yet there are posters who (Obviously) are only here to be
disruptive . Why has Usnet not done anything about this ?
FB

In article
,
K M wrote:

On Jul 6, 12:13*pm, C Gattman wrote:

Before I left the industry to be a full-time pilot and
flight instructor, I was a network and usenet abuse policy
administrator for many years. I have been aware of Jay's business and
activity for many years. For whatever that's worth, it was up to me to
decide what to do with complaints about posts such as Jay's. Here's
how my sysadmin team would evaluate this:



Respectfully,
Chris Gattman
Chris ,
Thanks for the post . I have been here on Usnet for a few years myself
and I can't help but wonder why you have too consider complaints like
this and yet there are posters who (Obviously) are only here to be
disruptive . Why has Usnet not done anything about this ?
FB

Because usenet is not "owned" by anyone, and tends to be a minarchy, if
not quite anarchy, with only a small fraction of usenet groups being
moderated.

On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:13:05 -0700 (PDT), C Gattman wrote:

Commercial pilot, CFI - Troutdale, Oregon

Too bad you never made it to The ATP Show.

Franklin "Franklin wrote:

On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:13:05 -0700 (PDT), C Gattman wrote:

Commercial pilot, CFI - Troutdale, Oregon

Too bad you never made it to The ATP Show.


Not that I knew I wrote that. Am I dreaming? Heh!

On Jul 1, 12:20*pm, "vaughn"
wrote:
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message

news:mnM2m.168937$DP1.27204@attbi_s22...

* *Sorry to see that you are spamming again Jay. *You go back on my "list".

Vaughn

You're reply is rude, idiotic, and wrong.
Put Jay ..."back on your list" for inviting everyone here to a free
party with free beer, which he's been doing for years. I doubt you
would be pleasant company anyway.
Good riddance.

Ricky

....is this the same vaughn simon that was building a berkut long ago
and far away? just curious.

other than that, LIGHTEN UP. It's an invitation to a free event with
free refreshments.

spanky mcf.


* *Sorry to see that you are spamming again Jay. *You go back on my "list".

Vaughn

vaughn wrote:
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:mnM2m.168937$DP1.27204@attbi_s22...

Sorry to see that you are spamming again Jay. You go back on my "list".

lighten up Francis