Traffic advisories workload permitting?

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Robert M. Gary writes:

I know that the AIM tell us that class E airspace traffic
advisories
are given to VFR aircraft on a workload basis. However, I seem to
recall some of our controller friends saying that as long as an
aircraft is currently being given flight following the controller
must either advise traffic or cancel the flight following. I'm
looking for this type of language in the 7110 but I'm not seeing
it.

The controller is not required to call out all traffic, and may not
be able
to. The pilot should always assume that there may be traffic
nearby
that the
controller cannot point out. This is mentioned in the
pilot/controller glossary of the 7710 under Traffic Advisories:

"Traffic advisory service will be provided to the extent possible
depending on
higher priority duties of the controller or other limitations;
e.g.,
radar limitations, volume of traffic, frequency congestion, or
controller workload.
Radar/ nonradar traffic advisories do not relieve the pilot of
his/her responsibility to see and avoid other aircraft. Pilots are
cautioned that there are many times when the controller is not able
to give traffic advisories concerning all traffic in the aircraft's
proximity; in other words,
when a pilot requests or is receiving traffic advisories, he/she
should not
assume that all traffic will be issued."

It doesn't matter if your just flying a desk retard.


PKB. You can't fly either, buttboi. How many students you cheat this
week?


Bertie

Who you swinging at now, Dumb Ass!!!!!


Swinging? Nobody. Asked you a question.

Bertie

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The Bunyip Slayer luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote:

Preemptive strike.

Is that they way you act towards your kids when they do something right?


Kids? Now there's a scary thought. Having said that, I suppose American
Idol has to get it's audience from somewhere.


Bertie

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If one of my kids was 1/4 as ****ed up as Mx, they wouldn't be asking
questions on a public forum.

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The Bunyip Slayer luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote:

Preemptive strike.

Is that they way you act towards your kids when they do something right?

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If one of my kids was 1/4 as ****ed up as Mx, they wouldn't be asking
questions on a public forum.


Good for you Maxie, facing up to your problem is the first step.


Bertie

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Robert M. Gary writes:

I know that the AIM tell us that class E airspace traffic
advisories are given to VFR aircraft on a workload basis. However,
I seem to recall some of our controller friends saying that as
long as an aircraft is currently being given flight following the
controller must either advise traffic or cancel the flight
following. I'm looking for this type of language in the 7110 but
I'm not seeing it.

The controller is not required to call out all traffic, and may not
be able
to. The pilot should always assume that there may be traffic
nearby that
the
controller cannot point out. This is mentioned in the
pilot/controller glossary of the 7710 under Traffic Advisories:

"Traffic advisory service will be provided to the extent possible
depending on
higher priority duties of the controller or other limitations;
e.g., radar
limitations, volume of traffic, frequency congestion, or controller
workload.
Radar/ nonradar traffic advisories do not relieve the pilot of
his/her responsibility to see and avoid other aircraft. Pilots are
cautioned that
there are many times when the controller is not able to give
traffic advisories concerning all traffic in the aircraft's
proximity; in other words,
when a pilot requests or is receiving traffic advisories, he/she
should not
assume that all traffic will be issued."

It doesn't matter if your just flying a desk retard.

Oh come on now.

While not by any means a MX defender, if he answers a question with a
valid reference, that should be that and the insults reserved for
when he goes off into pontificate mode.


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Preemptive strike.



And well justified in Anthony's case.

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5 by 5 luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote:

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Robert M. Gary writes:

I know that the AIM tell us that class E airspace traffic
advisories are given to VFR aircraft on a workload basis. However,
I seem to recall some of our controller friends saying that as
long as an aircraft is currently being given flight following the
controller must either advise traffic or cancel the flight
following. I'm looking for this type of language in the 7110 but
I'm not seeing it.

The controller is not required to call out all traffic, and may not
be able
to. The pilot should always assume that there may be traffic
nearby that
the
controller cannot point out. This is mentioned in the
pilot/controller glossary of the 7710 under Traffic Advisories:

"Traffic advisory service will be provided to the extent possible
depending on
higher priority duties of the controller or other limitations;
e.g., radar
limitations, volume of traffic, frequency congestion, or controller
workload.
Radar/ nonradar traffic advisories do not relieve the pilot of
his/her responsibility to see and avoid other aircraft. Pilots are
cautioned that
there are many times when the controller is not able to give
traffic advisories concerning all traffic in the aircraft's
proximity; in other words,
when a pilot requests or is receiving traffic advisories, he/she
should not
assume that all traffic will be issued."

It doesn't matter if your just flying a desk retard.

Oh come on now.

While not by any means a MX defender, if he answers a question with a
valid reference, that should be that and the insults reserved for
when he goes off into pontificate mode.


--
Jim Pennino

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Preemptive strike.



And well justified in Anthony's case.


Indeed. Keep up the good work.

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5 by 5 luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote:

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Robert M. Gary writes:

I know that the AIM tell us that class E airspace traffic
advisories are given to VFR aircraft on a workload basis.
However,
I seem to recall some of our controller friends saying that as
long as an aircraft is currently being given flight following
the
controller must either advise traffic or cancel the flight
following. I'm looking for this type of language in the 7110 but
I'm not seeing it.

The controller is not required to call out all traffic, and may
not
be able
to. The pilot should always assume that there may be traffic
nearby that
the
controller cannot point out. This is mentioned in the
pilot/controller glossary of the 7710 under Traffic Advisories:

"Traffic advisory service will be provided to the extent possible
depending on
higher priority duties of the controller or other limitations;
e.g., radar
limitations, volume of traffic, frequency congestion, or
controller
workload.
Radar/ nonradar traffic advisories do not relieve the pilot of
his/her responsibility to see and avoid other aircraft. Pilots
are
cautioned that
there are many times when the controller is not able to give
traffic advisories concerning all traffic in the aircraft's
proximity; in other words,
when a pilot requests or is receiving traffic advisories, he/she
should not
assume that all traffic will be issued."

It doesn't matter if your just flying a desk retard.

Oh come on now.

While not by any means a MX defender, if he answers a question with
a
valid reference, that should be that and the insults reserved for
when he goes off into pontificate mode.


--
Jim Pennino

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Preemptive strike.



And well justified in Anthony's case.


Indeed. Keep up the good work.





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Bertie

On Aug 19, 9:24*am, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
I know that the AIM tell us that class E airspace traffic advisories
are given to VFR aircraft a workload basis. However, I seem to
recall some of our controller friends saying that as long as an
aircraft is currently being given flight following the controller must
either advise traffic or cancel the flight following. I'm looking for
this type of language in the 7110 but I'm not seeing it.

-robert

Well I think this finally does it for me on this forum. This is a
question that a year ago would have generated useful answers with
references to the 7110 code. However, I did not get one answer to my
question. I at least thought our controllers Newsp and Steven would
have posted something on this.

-Robert

Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Aug 19, 9:24?am, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
I know that the AIM tell us that class E airspace traffic advisories
are given to VFR aircraft a workload basis. However, I seem to
recall some of our controller friends saying that as long as an
aircraft is currently being given flight following the controller must
either advise traffic or cancel the flight following. I'm looking for
this type of language in the 7110 but I'm not seeing it.

-robert

Well I think this finally does it for me on this forum. This is a
question that a year ago would have generated useful answers with
references to the 7110 code. However, I did not get one answer to my
question. I at least thought our controllers Newsp and Steven would
have posted something on this.

-Robert

You've probably kill filed MX so you didn't see he was the only one
to provide such an answer, and that seems to be causing parkas to
be issued in Hell.


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