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Judge Awards $11.9 Million in Suit Against Civil Air Patrol



 
 
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Old August 12th 17, 12:53 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Judge Awards $11.9 Million in Suit Against Civil Air Patrol

And the armchair quarterback analysis, finger pointing and blame game continues.......

Horrible and avoidable tragedy.

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Old August 12th 17, 09:21 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Judge Awards $11.9 Million in Suit Against Civil Air Patrol

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 4:53:45 PM UTC-7, Tom wrote:
And the armchair quarterback analysis, finger pointing and blame game continues.......

Horrible and avoidable tragedy.


FWIW, this was an easy decision for the judge: by FARs, the landing aircraft has right of way, period, end of story. The landing pilot's ineptitude does not negate that. Depending upon radio calls for aircraft separation is a risky business at best. Pilot's may be on the wrong frequency, have too much squelch or may just not be using the radio at all. I have witnessed all of these.

Tom
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Old August 12th 17, 10:18 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Judge Awards $11.9 Million in Suit Against Civil Air Patrol

You are PIC, break any rule, just be willing to defend it. You may not know local rules.
As an aside, you're PIC, expect the unexpected, BUT. Maintain control of your aircraft.

Sorry this happened, rules don't make up for loss of people.
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Old August 12th 17, 11:04 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Judge Awards $11.9 Million in Suit Against Civil Air Patrol

Read here for free, no sign up required...

http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2017/0...n-in-suit.html

http://auxbeacon.org/district-court-...omment-page-1/

https://www.reddit.com/r/flying/comm...against_civil/

Andre
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Old August 13th 17, 02:38 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Judge Awards $11.9 Million in Suit Against Civil Air Patrol



If I was going to fly a glider from that airport, on 03, I think I'd start the roll from just past the intersection! The remaining 900 meters is way more than enough.


The ground rises off the end of 03, lots of development, nowhere to land. Better to go from the end.
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Old August 13th 17, 01:59 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Judge Awards $11.9 Million in Suit Against Civil Air Patrol

On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 11:24:12 PM UTC-4, Ernst wrote:
Frivolous.

http://www.dailyreportonline.com/id=...20170710230651

Let's go fishing.

Ernst


Is there no mandatory frequency/ unicom in use at this a/p?
Surely the CAP use radio!

JMF
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Old August 14th 17, 12:02 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Judge Awards $11.9 Million in Suit Against Civil Air Patrol

On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 7:59:14 AM UTC-5, firsys wrote:
On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 11:24:12 PM UTC-4, Ernst wrote:
Frivolous.

http://www.dailyreportonline.com/id=...20170710230651

Let's go fishing.

Ernst


Is there no mandatory frequency/ unicom in use at this a/p?
Surely the CAP use radio!

JMF


Yes. Of course there is. However, the same frequency is in use at other airports in the area. Transmissions get stepped on, some radios don't transmit well, some don't recieve well, microphones are of varying quality, people get distracted and miss a transmission, both transmitting and receiving, sometimes people switch frequencies and forget to switch back. In other words, lots of reasons why radios, and other technologies are not perfect answers to aviation safety issues.
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Old August 16th 17, 03:06 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Judge Awards $11.9 Million in Suit Against Civil Air Patrol

On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 4:02:30 PM UTC-7, WB wrote:
On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 7:59:14 AM UTC-5, firsys wrote:
On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 11:24:12 PM UTC-4, Ernst wrote:
Frivolous.

http://www.dailyreportonline.com/id=...20170710230651

Let's go fishing.

Ernst


Is there no mandatory frequency/ unicom in use at this a/p?
Surely the CAP use radio!

JMF


Yes. Of course there is. However, the same frequency is in use at other airports in the area. Transmissions get stepped on, some radios don't transmit well, some don't recieve well, microphones are of varying quality, people get distracted and miss a transmission, both transmitting and receiving, sometimes people switch frequencies and forget to switch back. In other words, lots of reasons why radios, and other technologies are not perfect answers to aviation safety issues.


Use of the CTAF is OPTIONAL, not mandatory, at uncontrolled a/p's. This is why you can't depend upon radio communication. If you believe otherwise then cite the FAR that is your basis.

Tom
 




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