polish victories

In article ,
says...
1939
Germany invades poland in less than a month almost without casualties,
polish soldiers died 100000


1940
35,000 UK troops roll up over 200,000 italian "soldier" in north africa.
Capturing most.






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"phil hunt" wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:18:51 GMT, iowa wrote:
Poland: half to Germany and half to Russia
Polish: annihilated

This is in my opinion a good solution of the polish problem

IMO killfiles are a good solution ot the idiot-on-Usenet problem.

*plonk*

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have to filter on something else.

From: Tank Fixer

snip

1940
35,000 UK troops roll up over 200,000 italian "soldier" in north africa.
Capturing most.

Don't knock the Italian soldiers, they did the best they considering their poor
leadership, being over extended and being less well equipped than the British.

Bear in mind Italy was not prepared to take North Africa and KEEP it. Their
resupply system wasn't very good so not all of their equipment combat losses
were replaced by the time the British showed up.

Another thing to keep in mind is most of the war in North Africa was within a
few kilometers of the Mediterranian coast. Also Tobruk was a thorn in the
Italian's side. This means the Italian army was for all intents and purposes
one long line of men from Lybia westward with a bunch of men tied up at Tobruk.
They kept most of their heavy stuff at Tobruk and in Lybia. Once the British
punched through the lines in Lybia they came across very little serious
opposition.

The Italian leadership flubbed the job. The average Italian soldier was just as
brave as any other soldier.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

"Tank Fixer" wrote in message
k.net...
In article ,
says...
1939
Germany invades poland in less than a month almost without casualties,
polish soldiers died 100000


1940
35,000 UK troops roll up over 200,000 italian "soldier" in north africa.
Capturing most.


Indeed, my father was with the Western Desert force at the time and
his squad was seriously hindered when an entire batallion of
Italians gave themselves up . He wondered at the time how often
a Colonel had surrendered to a corporal with 6 men.

Keith

On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 04:09:18 -0400, John Keeney wrote:

"phil hunt" wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:18:51 GMT, iowa wrote:
Poland: half to Germany and half to Russia
Polish: annihilated

This is in my opinion a good solution of the polish problem

IMO killfiles are a good solution ot the idiot-on-Usenet problem.

*plonk*

Good, but not perfect: he changes the "from address" and you
have to filter on something else.

Fortunately, slrn has a wide range of filtering options.

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In article , says...
Poland: half to Germany and half to Russia
Polish: annihilated

This is in my opinion a good solution of the polish problem


Italy

Give the northern part to Austria and let Sicily go independent.

The rest we give over to a giant new EuroDisney.


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When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
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In article ,
says...
From: Tank Fixer

snip

1940
35,000 UK troops roll up over 200,000 italian "soldier" in north africa.
Capturing most.

Don't knock the Italian soldiers, they did the best they considering their poor
leadership, being over extended and being less well equipped than the British.

Bear in mind Italy was not prepared to take North Africa and KEEP it. Their
resupply system wasn't very good so not all of their equipment combat losses
were replaced by the time the British showed up.

Another thing to keep in mind is most of the war in North Africa was within a
few kilometers of the Mediterranian coast. Also Tobruk was a thorn in the
Italian's side. This means the Italian army was for all intents and purposes
one long line of men from Lybia westward with a bunch of men tied up at Tobruk.
They kept most of their heavy stuff at Tobruk and in Lybia. Once the British
punched through the lines in Lybia they came across very little serious
opposition.

The Italian leadership flubbed the job. The average Italian soldier was just as
brave as any other soldier.


I knew that, I was wondering if our "iowa" 1D1OT knew.

IIRC didn't the RN bury those killed in the chariot attacks with honors ?



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"iowa" wrote
1939
Germany invades poland in less than a month almost without casualties,
polish soldiers died 100000

1944
Polish resistance *ROTFL* smashed from Wermacht during Warsaw
uprising. German casualties 5000 polish casualtie 60000

Polish glorious and strong armed forces *ROTFL*

I wonder how you would make out fighting a modern equipped army with
antiquated weapons and half starved as was the case in 1944. A horse
back cavalry is no match for a tank! The Poles, more than held their own
during the Battle of Britain and later with ground forces in Europe
along with the other Allied armies. Records should be set strait in
this regard.


Polish Cavalry was the modern part of our army. Attack with sabres on tanks
is a myth!!!
They have modern antitank guns 37mm bofors (this gun could destroy all
german tanks in this time, and probably all tanks on the world), antitank
rifle Ur.They fought on "foots", horses was only to move to longest
distance.

True enough. I used to have a page bookmarked (3 jobs ago, sadly) that
detailed the incident that led to the myth of "horse cavalry vs. tanks".

The summary, as I recall it, is that a cavalry regiment was busily
wiping out a German infantry unit (footsoldiers vs. cavalry) when a
couple of armored cars (not! tanks!) showed up and chewed up the horse
soldiers with their mounted 20mm cannon. When reporters arrived, the
dead Germans had been removed, and the head of the press escort said
something about "horses vs. panzers *shrug*" and thus was the myth
begun.

We lost, becouse, our strategy was "out of date" (german blitzkrieg was to
fast) (France had bigger army, and they lost faster)

People also forget the backstab by the Soviet Union. The Poles were
holding their own against the Blitzkrieg, despite losing ground (but did
they ever make the Germans pay for that ground), until the Red Army came
across the eastern border.

In 1944 in Warsaw we had only light weapon (hand guns, rifle, MP). German
army had tanks, planes, guns (even Karl, 600mm mortar) and they fought over
2 months!

Yep. Anyone who says the Warsaw uprising shows the Poles couldn't fight
is talking out of their ass.

Had the Poles had a fully mechanized army in 1939 (that is, equivalent
to the Wehrmacht) I suspect they still would have lost, but the Germans
and Soviets would have paid a far heavier price.

ObTex: But what does this have to do with military aviation?

-Marc

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(Marc Reeve) wrote in message ...
People also forget the backstab by the Soviet Union. The Poles were
holding their own against the Blitzkrieg, despite losing ground (but did
they ever make the Germans pay for that ground), until the Red Army came
across the eastern border.

Shouldn't we make that a double? As I recall, in '44 (or was it '45)
the Russians halted their advance just outside Warsaw to give the
Germans time to wipe out the Poles. They knew these were the very
Poles that would cause trouble later on when they occupied Poland
themselves, and would just as soon see them all dead.

Rob

"iowa" wrote in message ...
1939
Germany invades poland in less than a month almost without casualties,
polish soldiers died 100000

1944
Polish resistance *ROTFL* smashed from Wermacht during Warsaw uprising.
German casualties 5000 polish casualtie 60000

Polish glorious and strong armed forces *ROTFL*

Actually, this is funny. At some point during the middle ages, it was
a Polish army that turned back the hordes of muslim invaders that
threatened to completely overrun Europe. If it hadn't been for the
Poles, we might all have been the very Arabs that many people now love
to hate.

Rob